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0 pointsSV_BubbleTime2y ago0 comments

Ah, the internet where people who know absolutely nothing cite a PR blog directly from a company providing bold assertions that then give them 100% confidence.

I’ve been in at least four fully self-driving dev / S0 / drivable buck vehicles and they are absolute garbage imo. We had one planned demo that was delayed because of fog in 2020, not road fog, but crap on the LiDAR glass. How many have you directly worked with?

You’ll be happy to know it isn’t just weather that makes this all fake though.

Road crown, even minor, but especially major in the northwest. Reflections, refractions. Lights and electronic billboards. Potholes. Missing road paint. ANY sort of road work at all. “Unhomed” people washing windshields. Squirrels (day) and mice/rats (night). Other bad drivers. Just plain dirty vehicles, self and others. Dust.

It’s all garbage. If we were serious it would be long haul, V2V V2I (vehicle to infra/vehicle). But yea yea, Waygo says they solved weather so just post their claim and you win! Reality can’t compete with marketing, except it always does.

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AlotOfReading2y ago

I'm not the person you're responding to, but I've ridden inside probably dozens of AVs at this point (and my work product is in hundreds). I can't relate to your experiences at all. That's weird, because if you're an EE at one of the major AV companies, we're likely within 1 degree of separation.

Every serious company has put significant effort into testing with weather (note: not all weather conditions and not the same testing as traditional automotive). They've also put effort into handling all the other scenarios you've mentioned. Waymo does pose estimation to better handle construction workers and traffic cops, for example.

Also the TAM numbers should make it clear why long distance freight isn't getting as much attention. Surely your employer has shared their outlook internally?

ra72y ago

Waymo driving in rain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGbMnLCXXxU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiD9l72uFCg

Waymo driving in fog:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbgDTCCdL6s

SV_BubbleTimeOP2y ago

I can tell that you WANT to believe. so, be my guest. Do come back and let me know when you have your reliable fully autonomous vehicle.

ra72y ago

There are people taking rides in rain and fog, albeit only in SF and Phoenix. You can claim they haven’t put any effort into weather driving all you want, but the evidence suggests otherwise.

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0 pointsSV_BubbleTime2y ago0 comments

Ah, the internet where people who know absolutely nothing cite a PR blog directly from a company providing bold assertions that then give them 100% confidence.

You’ll be happy to know it isn’t just weather that makes this all fake though.

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AlotOfReading2y ago

Also the TAM numbers should make it clear why long distance freight isn't getting as much attention. Surely your employer has shared their outlook internally?

ra72y ago

Waymo driving in rain:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGbMnLCXXxU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiD9l72uFCg

Waymo driving in fog:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbgDTCCdL6s

SV_BubbleTimeOP2y ago

I can tell that you WANT to believe. so, be my guest. Do come back and let me know when you have your reliable fully autonomous vehicle.

ra72y ago

There are people taking rides in rain and fog, albeit only in SF and Phoenix. You can claim they haven’t put any effort into weather driving all you want, but the evidence suggests otherwise.

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