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0 pointsalienicecream2y ago0 comments

It's not counting, it's just outputting something that is likely to sound right. The reason it can't count is that it doesn't know that it should run a counting algorithm when you ask it to count, or what a counting algorithm is. There is no reason why an AI should not be able to run an algorithm. Coming up with appropriate algorithms and running them is one definition of AIs. This is not an AI. It is an algorithm itself but it cannot create or run algorithms, though it can output things that look like them. The "algorithms" it outputs are not even wrong, correctness and truth is orthogonal to it's output and without that you don't have real intelligence.

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travisjungroth2y ago

> It's not counting, it's just outputting something that is likely to sound right.

What does this mean? How can it possibly come up with the number 4 in a way that doesn’t involve counting?

alienicecreamOP2y ago

How does it come up with comprehensible sentences that make logical sense about everyday things without understanding what these things are in the real world or even understanding what logic is? I don't have a stack trace for you, but if you want to hang on "the proof's in the pudding" and say the output is evidence for what it's doing, here's Chat GPT's output to your question:

There are two fruits in this list: banana and watermelon.

So what is the difference between GPT 4 and Chat GPT? Is GPT 4 all of a sudden running a counting algorithm over the appropriate words in the sentence because it understands that's what it needs to do to get the correct answer? Can anyone explain how you would get from whatever Chat GPT is doing to that by the changes to GPT 4? And more to the point, how does Chat GPT get to the answer 2 without counting? Apparently somehow, because if it can't even count to 4, I'm not sure how you could call whatever it's doing 'counting'.

travisjungroth2y ago

> How does it come up with comprehensible sentences that make logical sense about everyday things without understanding what these things are in the real world or even understanding what logic is?

This is begging the question.

> Can anyone explain how you would get from whatever Chat GPT is doing to that by the changes to GPT 4?

I don't know. I can't explain how a 2-year-old can't count but an 8-year-old can, either. 3.5 generally can't count[0]. 4 generally can.

You've really sidestepped the question. I suggest you seriously consider it. What's the difference between something that looks like it's counting versus actually counting when it comes to data it's never seen before?

Thanks for discussing this with me.

[0] Add "Solve this like George Polya" to any problem and it will do a better job. When I do that, it's able to get to 4.

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travisjungroth2y ago

> It's not counting, it's just outputting something that is likely to sound right.

What does this mean? How can it possibly come up with the number 4 in a way that doesn’t involve counting?

alienicecreamOP2y ago

There are two fruits in this list: banana and watermelon.

travisjungroth2y ago

> How does it come up with comprehensible sentences that make logical sense about everyday things without understanding what these things are in the real world or even understanding what logic is?

This is begging the question.

> Can anyone explain how you would get from whatever Chat GPT is doing to that by the changes to GPT 4?

I don't know. I can't explain how a 2-year-old can't count but an 8-year-old can, either. 3.5 generally can't count[0]. 4 generally can.

Thanks for discussing this with me.

[0] Add "Solve this like George Polya" to any problem and it will do a better job. When I do that, it's able to get to 4.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse