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0 pointsAlupis2y ago0 comments

> Reddit doesn't want to work with third-party apps

This sentiment is obviously false. Reddit doesn't want to support third-party apps at Reddit's own expense. That is reasonable.

> He has 50,000 customers who paid $10/year for the app

And now we get to the issue. This was never a sustainable business model. It depended on Reddit API being free - even at the massive volume Apollo operates at. That is unreasonable.

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actionablefiber2y ago

> And now we get to the issue. This was never a sustainable business model. It depended on Reddit API being free - even at the massive volume Apollo operates at. That is unreasonable.

Christian has already shared his correspondence on Reddit with this. He pretty clearly sought and received regular assurances that when and if Reddit moved their API to a paid model that it would be at a reasonable cost and with a flexible timeline to accommodate third party apps.

After telling him no such big moves were happening in 2023 they changed their mind, set punitively high prices and gave barely a month's notice.

AlupisOP2y ago

> a paid model that it would be at a reasonable cost

What does this even mean? "Reasonable" is subjective - and from Reddit's perspective, I'd bet they believe the fees are reasonable.

It's on the business operator to mitigate risk. Apollo didn't do that - and is now throwing in the towel instead of charging their customer's more.

> set punitively high prices and gave barely a month's notice.

Apollo has had since April to figure out a new billing model - but sat on their hands hoping whatever Reddit came up with could be afforded with their existing $10 per year per user model. Say it out loud - it's absurd.

mynameisvlad2y ago

> Apollo has had since April to figure out a new billing model - but sat on their hands hoping whatever Reddit came up with could be afforded with their existing $10 per year per user model. Say it out loud - it's absurd.

Just stop.

You’ve been told multiple times, by multiple people, that this was not the case.

You’ve been provided the timeline, which you refuse to acknowledge.

You very well know that he was not provided the pricing until 8 days ago.

At this point, you continuing to say this is just being disingenuous and talking in bad faith.

What, exactly, are you getting out of this? Is unreasonably placing the blame on a single developer your way of getting your rocks off?

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unreal372y ago

And he was willing to pay for access. His argument is that the price far exceeds their cost and, with 30 days notice, that's unreasonable.

I take him at his word that he was willing to pay a reasonable amount.

Again, Reddit has the right to run their business however they wish. Not arguing that it should be free.

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ckolkey2y ago

But like.. He asked if they had any plans to change it. And they said no. I can't imagine the hoop you're expecting him to jump through - get a seat on their board covertly?

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actionablefiber2y ago

> And now we get to the issue. This was never a sustainable business model. It depended on Reddit API being free - even at the massive volume Apollo operates at. That is unreasonable.

After telling him no such big moves were happening in 2023 they changed their mind, set punitively high prices and gave barely a month's notice.

AlupisOP2y ago

> a paid model that it would be at a reasonable cost

What does this even mean? "Reasonable" is subjective - and from Reddit's perspective, I'd bet they believe the fees are reasonable.

It's on the business operator to mitigate risk. Apollo didn't do that - and is now throwing in the towel instead of charging their customer's more.

> set punitively high prices and gave barely a month's notice.

mynameisvlad2y ago

Just stop.

You’ve been told multiple times, by multiple people, that this was not the case.

You’ve been provided the timeline, which you refuse to acknowledge.

You very well know that he was not provided the pricing until 8 days ago.

At this point, you continuing to say this is just being disingenuous and talking in bad faith.

What, exactly, are you getting out of this? Is unreasonably placing the blame on a single developer your way of getting your rocks off?

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unreal372y ago

And he was willing to pay for access. His argument is that the price far exceeds their cost and, with 30 days notice, that's unreasonable.

I take him at his word that he was willing to pay a reasonable amount.

Again, Reddit has the right to run their business however they wish. Not arguing that it should be free.

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ckolkey2y ago

But like.. He asked if they had any plans to change it. And they said no. I can't imagine the hoop you're expecting him to jump through - get a seat on their board covertly?

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse