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0 pointstambourine_man2y ago0 comments

Another hard decision that was the right choice in retrospect was going with KHTML. I remember watching the keynote and waiting for them to announce it was based on Gecko. Camino had shown it was possible and worked well. Apple had hired David Hyatt. It was obvious they would go with Gecko.

There was an audible gasp when they announced it was based on KHTML. What the %^&$ is KHTML?

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tambourine_manOP2y ago

Yet another one was going with LLVM.

Now that they had a decent running GCC on PowerPC they want to build a compiler infrastructure from scratch?

Apple is full of those decisions. I'm just glad they don't take advices from me.

tinus_hn2y ago

LLVM is because they don’t want GPLv3. They just went ahead with a stack where they can be in control on their own terms.

Basically GNU gambled and lost, they wanted to make a big stand against software patents and some other powerful forces had different opinions.

GeekyBear2y ago

> LLVM is because they don’t want GPLv3.

LLVM and Clang are also about having a compiler stack that provides the information you need for a modern graphical IDE.

For instance, GCC had made some decisions that made it difficult to point to which line of code caused a particular error message.

Apple's Chris Lattner covered this in a 2007 tech talk he gave at Google introducing LLVM and the (then) new Clang project.

https://youtu.be/VeRaLPupGks?t=1133

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kitsunesoba2y ago

GPL v3 is part of it, but as I understand, back when the decision was made GCC was rather inflexible compared to LLVM/Clang which was also a big factor.

Longlius2y ago

I believe LLVM was chosen because it was easier to make new compilers to work with it. GCC's intermediate representation was a bit of a mess for a long time and from what I understand, Apple did not find GCC's Objective-C support to be satisfactory.

mproud2y ago

The venerable KHTML project was just officially discontinued this year.

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