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0 pointsmatchapples2y ago0 comments

Why do you say it's 99% propaganda?

"sinofication" sounds a lot like "eliminating the existing culture" which sounds a lot like genocide. Genocide is more than just murdering everyone like in some of the most well known cases like the Holocaust -- it includes elimination of an ethnic group by any means possible, including "nativification"

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ineptech2y ago

I understand where you're coming from, but -cide implies killing.

ImPostingOnHN2y ago

the "cide" in genocide refers to destroying

for example, a cultural genocide refers to destroying culture, e.g. Uighur or Muslim culture

woooooo2y ago

Would you say the choice of the word "genocide" here is because it's the most accurate description of what's going on?

Or is it chosen for rhetorical/propaganda effect without too much concern for accuracy?

mayormcmatt2y ago

Not the person you're responding to, but it is an accurate description of genocide under its current meaning as defined by the UN (probably the most authoritative body on this kind of matter).

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

What the Chinese are doing there is covered under Article II, c.

If you are being pedantic by holding fast to the literal Greek translation of "geno" and "cide" then, well, this is simply not the complete modern meaning of the term.

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ImPostingOnHN2y ago

Would you say the common, accurate usage of the term "cultural genocide" to refer to what the term refers to, is a bigger or smaller problem than the actual cultural genocide itself?

DiogenesKynikos2y ago

"-cide" is a suffix that means "to kill," as in:

  * suicide
  * regicide
  * fratricide
  * insecticide
  * pesticide

It comes from the Latin word "caedo," which means "to kill." The phrase "cultural genocide" is not the same as "genocide," and indeed the legal definition of "genocide" expliticly says that destruction of a culture is not genocide.

Using the word "genocide" to refer to something other than mass murder - and then falling back to the claim that "genocide" doesn't mean mass murder - is just playing rhetorical games.

KptMarchewa2y ago

Of a nation or ethnic group.

mistermann2y ago

> Why do you say it's 99% propaganda?

I suspect because of propaganda.

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ineptech2y ago

I understand where you're coming from, but -cide implies killing.

ImPostingOnHN2y ago

the "cide" in genocide refers to destroying

for example, a cultural genocide refers to destroying culture, e.g. Uighur or Muslim culture

woooooo2y ago

Would you say the choice of the word "genocide" here is because it's the most accurate description of what's going on?

Or is it chosen for rhetorical/propaganda effect without too much concern for accuracy?

mayormcmatt2y ago

Not the person you're responding to, but it is an accurate description of genocide under its current meaning as defined by the UN (probably the most authoritative body on this kind of matter).

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/genocide.shtml

What the Chinese are doing there is covered under Article II, c.

If you are being pedantic by holding fast to the literal Greek translation of "geno" and "cide" then, well, this is simply not the complete modern meaning of the term.

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ImPostingOnHN2y ago

Would you say the common, accurate usage of the term "cultural genocide" to refer to what the term refers to, is a bigger or smaller problem than the actual cultural genocide itself?

DiogenesKynikos2y ago

"-cide" is a suffix that means "to kill," as in:

  * suicide
  * regicide
  * fratricide
  * insecticide
  * pesticide

Using the word "genocide" to refer to something other than mass murder - and then falling back to the claim that "genocide" doesn't mean mass murder - is just playing rhetorical games.

KptMarchewa2y ago

Of a nation or ethnic group.

mistermann2y ago

> Why do you say it's 99% propaganda?

I suspect because of propaganda.

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