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0 points_hypx2y ago0 comments

You will need many millions of them, and enough generating capacity to power then all. That is many years away. Likely decades.

There's also no technological issue preventing the expansion of hydrogen stations. It's also worth noting that this directly replaces the gas station, both in number and location. This is not nearly as big of a challenge as you might think. Unlike charging stations, which must exist in much greater numbers and new locations.

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jqpabc1232y ago

Registration data shows there are around 2 million electric vehicles currently on the road in the USA.

Market research shows more than half of auto consumers will be looking at an EV when they need a new car.

Like it or not, hydrogen has already lost --- for a multitude of reasons. But keep flogging that dead pony.

_hypxOP2y ago

There are about 300 million ICE cars in the US. BEVs are nowhere near ready to replace ICE cars.

What’s ironic is that BEV fans are just repeating the same anti-EV arguments used against BEVs. They’re not even aware that BEVs were at zero just a decade and a half ago. The fact is, FCEVs are needed by millions of people. As the world shifts to green energy, FCEVs will play a major role and likely one much bigger than what BEVs ever could’ve achieved. So the whole argument is just an act of shortsightedness.

jqpabc1232y ago

There are 45 EV models currently offered for sale all across the USA --- and more are on the way. Virtually every auto manufacturer either has one (or more) or is working overtime to make one.

There are 3 hydrogen vehicles currently offered for sale --- only in California. And nobody cares.

It should be obvious by now that the marketplace has already decided the future is electric. But keep flogging that dead pony.

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ffhhttt2y ago

Hydrogen is also very expensive and can’t really be produced sustainably at scale yet..

_hypxOP2y ago

That’s the same argument said about wind and solar not that long ago. People are repeating history by saying the same thing. In the end, you are making something with just wind, sunlight and water. Since they are practically infinite resources, the cost will trend towards zero.

ffhhttt2y ago

Now apply the same to fusion and many other technologies that turned our to be duds.

For every success story you have 10 (or whatever) failures that nobody remembers.

> the cost will trend towards zero.

Why not just use batteries then? All processes that can be used to make hydrogen now are very inefficient, so unless energy literally costs zero hydrogen won’t still make much sense for cars.

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jqpabc1232y ago

Registration data shows there are around 2 million electric vehicles currently on the road in the USA.

Market research shows more than half of auto consumers will be looking at an EV when they need a new car.

Like it or not, hydrogen has already lost --- for a multitude of reasons. But keep flogging that dead pony.

_hypxOP2y ago

There are about 300 million ICE cars in the US. BEVs are nowhere near ready to replace ICE cars.

jqpabc1232y ago

There are 45 EV models currently offered for sale all across the USA --- and more are on the way. Virtually every auto manufacturer either has one (or more) or is working overtime to make one.

There are 3 hydrogen vehicles currently offered for sale --- only in California. And nobody cares.

It should be obvious by now that the marketplace has already decided the future is electric. But keep flogging that dead pony.

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ffhhttt2y ago

Hydrogen is also very expensive and can’t really be produced sustainably at scale yet..

_hypxOP2y ago

ffhhttt2y ago

Now apply the same to fusion and many other technologies that turned our to be duds.

For every success story you have 10 (or whatever) failures that nobody remembers.

> the cost will trend towards zero.

Why not just use batteries then? All processes that can be used to make hydrogen now are very inefficient, so unless energy literally costs zero hydrogen won’t still make much sense for cars.

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