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0 pointsbusterarm2y ago0 comments

Which do what exactly? It's surveillance equipment.

Do you know how many people die attempting to cross that border? Hundreds every year.

Maybe when the temperature is extreme, you want to have an idea of where people are.

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Current US border policy is in no way designed to minimize hyperthermia related suffering. For instance, there are nonprofits that install water stations in the desert to minimize migrant deaths. CBP agents regularly vandalize these to prevent their use [0]. They also keep captured migrants in crowded outdoor cages and in facilities without meaningful AC during the hottest months.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/17/us-border-pa...

busterarmOP2y ago

I never suggested otherwise. Ideally zero people would be crossing this border illegally and then there would be no deaths, right?

We should do everything possible to discourage this crossing. Adequate surveillance is a large part of that.

If you are legitimately seeking asylum you can just walk up to any border crossing station and not risk your life.

Edit: As far as the condition that we keep captured criminals in, I would wager a good bet that they're comparably better than the appallingly horrific conditions of South American jails.

sottol2y ago

Imo large parts of the southwest and CA benefit immensely from immigrant labor. Both in time-savings and $ (outsourcing upkeep, housework, child-care) which allow their population to consume more and pursue other opportunities.

Also, would people pay 50% more, double or triple for fruit picked by Americans, meat packed by , those huge gardens and front yards maintained by, houses built by Americans. I think Florida and Texas after storms start to hint at what night be to come.

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AlotOfReading2y ago

Look, I don't want to get into a discussion of whether the current laws are proper. HN isn't the place for that. I'm just saying that pretending border surveillance is a way to keep immigrants safe from the desert is pure moral fiction.

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AlotOfReading2y ago

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/17/us-border-pa...

busterarmOP2y ago

I never suggested otherwise. Ideally zero people would be crossing this border illegally and then there would be no deaths, right?

We should do everything possible to discourage this crossing. Adequate surveillance is a large part of that.

If you are legitimately seeking asylum you can just walk up to any border crossing station and not risk your life.

Edit: As far as the condition that we keep captured criminals in, I would wager a good bet that they're comparably better than the appallingly horrific conditions of South American jails.

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