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0 pointsAnthonyMouse2y ago0 comments

For the typical user, losing their data is a greater risk than someone with physical control over their machine being able to access it. The logic board in your computer fails or you forget your password and all your data is gone.

And the default way of mitigating it is an even worse security risk. Now all your data is on some cloud somewhere, waiting for that vendor to get breached or your account to get phished which is now possible without physical control over your device. Plus, if you couldn't get into your computer because you lost access to your account, you also lost access to the data in the cloud.

Whereas if you really do have sensitive data, you still don't need a TPM and get better security without one. You keep a Yubikey in your pocket or memorize a strong passphrase and then the key physically isn't stored on your device.

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nine_k2y ago

If your data is this valuable, you certainly do backups? I suppose something like cloud backups is now built-in into windows, and would save your Documents (and maybe more) also by default.

AnthonyMouseOP2y ago

We're talking about ordinary people here. Their data is valuable to them because it's their pictures of their grandkids and their draft of the Great American Novel and their recipe collection. They're not backing it up themselves, they don't even know how.

But it's also their copy of all their bank statements that include their routing number, which nobody who is physically in their house is going to use against them but is a serious fraud risk if it can be accessed remotely on some cloud.

candiodari2y ago

Windows backups are subpoenable by half the governments on the planet, who have bad actors in them, and may also have exploits for dedicated attackers because they present a huge target.

nine_k2y ago

If your threat model includes state-level actors, I wonder why you consider running Windows at all, or at least not in a highly secured transient VM.

candiodari2y ago

I hate this. People are claiming "state-level" actors are all the same. Microsoft backups are subpoenable by local cops, hell, by your ex-wife in a divorce proceeding in some jurisdictions.

Yes, if the NSA has a decent reason to think you're going to nuke a sports game you'll still have a problem with very, very good security measures.

That doesn't mean there isn't a very large in-between zone where you're fine with better security measures.

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nine_k2y ago

If your data is this valuable, you certainly do backups? I suppose something like cloud backups is now built-in into windows, and would save your Documents (and maybe more) also by default.

AnthonyMouseOP2y ago

candiodari2y ago

Windows backups are subpoenable by half the governments on the planet, who have bad actors in them, and may also have exploits for dedicated attackers because they present a huge target.

nine_k2y ago

If your threat model includes state-level actors, I wonder why you consider running Windows at all, or at least not in a highly secured transient VM.

candiodari2y ago

I hate this. People are claiming "state-level" actors are all the same. Microsoft backups are subpoenable by local cops, hell, by your ex-wife in a divorce proceeding in some jurisdictions.

Yes, if the NSA has a decent reason to think you're going to nuke a sports game you'll still have a problem with very, very good security measures.

That doesn't mean there isn't a very large in-between zone where you're fine with better security measures.

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