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0 pointsjbm2y ago0 comments

My post above included a gas car (the Sienna) which is backordered for years in my country (Canada). There is obviously some kind of breakdown in the way their company is run; how else can you leave that many customers waiting for that period of time? The pandemic is not an excuse anymore.

I have no confidence they will successfully produce an EV with the classic Toyota reliability because of the software piece.

It's completely wrong to call them the tortise, they are the hare. They took their nap, and now have a very different field to race on; one in which Hyundai is suddenly a strong competitor with years of practical experience - without domestic politics restricting them to daydreaming about Hydrogen.

I hope they surprise me, because I still love my 2016 Sienna.

On a related note, before I bought my Model 3, I went for a test drive at the Subaru dealership. The dealer specifically told me that, if I really wanted an electric car, I should go with Tesla because "Toyota will never get an equivalent charging network going here".

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_hypx2y ago

You're just being brainwashed by BEV propaganda. It is not a sustainable solution and does not work for the majority of car buyers. There will come a day when we will laugh at your decision in the same way we laugh at the diesel car. Ethanol/flexfuel cars in the US too. Eventually, everyone will be forced to scale back or outright abandon BEVs, and adopt the next wave of technology such as FCEVs or some other type of hydrogen car.

jbmOP2y ago

OK, let's take the fact that I'm brainwashed while you are a free thinking sovereign citizen who just understands reality better than everyone else for granted.

The fact remains that they can't sell me a new car and deliveries are years out - so I'm a brainwashed person who tried to buy a gas minivan and was told that it wasn't available. Or did I just imagine that?

If you'd like, you can contact Stampede Toyota (https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/dealer/14058) and have a discussion with them if you feel I'm lying to you

_hypx2y ago

First of all, I'm sure the shortage of minivans is related to Covid-19 and probably due to lack of parts. There's no helping that.

The problem with BEVs is that they are a very limited solution that does not work for everyone. Toyota is likely aware that it is going to be a transitional technology, and is making the decision to not waste too much resources pursuing this market. All of the cars companies that have will likely go through bitter process where they scale back or abandon their BEV investments. We've seen this happen with diesel. And if/when it happens again with batteries, it will just represent another example of Toyota being ahead of the curve rather than being stuck in short-term thinking.

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0 pointsjbm2y ago0 comments

I have no confidence they will successfully produce an EV with the classic Toyota reliability because of the software piece.

I hope they surprise me, because I still love my 2016 Sienna.

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_hypx2y ago

jbmOP2y ago

OK, let's take the fact that I'm brainwashed while you are a free thinking sovereign citizen who just understands reality better than everyone else for granted.

If you'd like, you can contact Stampede Toyota (https://www.toyota.ca/toyota/en/dealer/14058) and have a discussion with them if you feel I'm lying to you

_hypx2y ago

First of all, I'm sure the shortage of minivans is related to Covid-19 and probably due to lack of parts. There's no helping that.

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