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0 pointslokar2y ago0 comments

Perhaps as women have gained more financial independence they no longer need to adopt a submissive attitude towards men to survive?

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jvanderbot2y ago

Equating a marriage with "submission" is the first thing that needs to die if we're going to create more two-parent households.

It is simply no longer the case.

alduin322y ago

A marriage does not equate to submission, but patriarchal issues in current marriages are still very much present.

lokarOP2y ago

Yes many, probably most marriages are based on an equal relationship. But many are not. And in the past most were not.

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em-bee2y ago

well, ideally both partners submit to each other. that is, it is my responsibility to help realize the wishes or goals of my wife, but it is just as much my wifes responsibility to help realize my wishes or goals.

why is that better than everyone just realizing their own wishes and goals? because this way a space for cooperation is created because we'll both end up working on and supporting each others goals or wishes, and also each of us are able to notice if there is a conflict between each of our goals and wishes, and then we can work them out.

lokarOP2y ago

Go read and listen to the ideology from many conservative evangelical groups in the US. They are pretty direct on this point. Wives must submit to husbands. It’s not a secret.

jvanderbot2y ago

It's different to say "some believe, but it's not necessarily true". I'm fully aware of conservative takes, and I'm watching my mom navigate her new independence after her husband died recently. They were both staunch conservatives and evangelicals.

mortureb2y ago

But women not being submissive has led to devastating effects on the children. Maybe that’s something we need to work on reimplementing.

lokarOP2y ago

Affordable high quality child care

mortureb2y ago

That’s a red herring. A person overlooking 5-15 kids is never going to be able to offer the care a one on one relationship with a mother can. Maybe a nanny might be an analogous alternative but the state will never be able to pay for that.

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jvanderbot2y ago

Equating a marriage with "submission" is the first thing that needs to die if we're going to create more two-parent households.

It is simply no longer the case.

alduin322y ago

A marriage does not equate to submission, but patriarchal issues in current marriages are still very much present.

lokarOP2y ago

Yes many, probably most marriages are based on an equal relationship. But many are not. And in the past most were not.

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em-bee2y ago

lokarOP2y ago

Go read and listen to the ideology from many conservative evangelical groups in the US. They are pretty direct on this point. Wives must submit to husbands. It’s not a secret.

jvanderbot2y ago

mortureb2y ago

But women not being submissive has led to devastating effects on the children. Maybe that’s something we need to work on reimplementing.

lokarOP2y ago

Affordable high quality child care

mortureb2y ago

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