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0 pointssafety1st2y ago0 comments

This simply isn't true except when you're talking about the largest companies. The vast majority of American businesses don't have a place of business in all 50 states, or retail outlets, etc. etc. -- the majority of American businesses are small, operate in one or a handful of states, and as a result do in fact skip California.

Sames goes I expect for "businesses hiring remote workers," only a Californian would have the arrogance to believe that all those businesses are somehow addicted to hiring in California.

So what this kind of stuff does is crush small businesses in California, and leave only the large ones standing. By the way small businesses drive most of the growth in the US and owning one used to be a way to have control over your own destiny while making a good living, but hey I guess all that stuff's out of fashion in this brave new world where only five companies matter and they have a revolving door set up between their boards and the government.

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onlyrealcuzzo2y ago

California does not care if some 2 person company in Ohio will be slightly less likely to hire a 3rd person remotely from California - the number of remote jobs going to California from these types of companies is close to 0.

Even if you assume 100% of them go away - I'd wager voters in California would prefer to have current conditions improved than an ever so slight increase in opportunities in the future.

Yes - small businesses employ the majority of workers. Do small businesses from outside of California with no current presence in California making new hires into California in a given year make up even 0.1% of total jobs? No.

On the flip side - close to 20% of Californians work remote full-time. And some estimates are as high as 40% for workers that work from home at least once a week.

Is this a good policy? Who knows.

Is it going to be popular? I think so.

scarab922y ago

Higher cost jurisdictions experience a hollowing out of their economies over time.

Last mile, geographically constrained jobs like transport and retail remain, but higher skill jobs that are mobile leave, either because it was more cost effective for the employer or because the employer couldn't compete and failed.

Australia experienced this and its economy now is little more than primary resource extraction, all shipped overseas for processing and value adding. Some basic service industry jobs, like retail, but none of them go anywhere because the companies don't have any real presence here except a shopfront.

onlyrealcuzzo2y ago

California has been extreme cost since the early 2000s and it's been on a non-stop boom (almost 50% higher GDP growth than the US average - keep in mind that's with CA's outsized weight lifting up the rest of the nation - https://united-states.reaproject.org/analysis/comparative-tr...)

Yes, the middle class is being hollowed out - but is it really significantly more so than anywhere else in the US?

kwhitefoot2y ago

> Higher cost jurisdictions experience a hollowing out of their economies over time.

That doesn't seem to be true of Norway. But Norway retains control of much of its primary resources. Australia could do the same; it's a political problem not a directly economic one.

arrosenberg2y ago

> Sames goes I expect for "businesses hiring remote workers," only a Californian would have the arrogance to believe that all those businesses are somehow addicted to hiring in California.

It's not arrogance when history bears it out time and time again.

> So what this kind of stuff does is crush small businesses in California, and leave only the large ones standing.

You are claiming that small businesses will stop existing in California if employers have to pay necessary costs? The same ones they'd have to pay in an office setting, less rent? Doubt.

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0 pointssafety1st2y ago0 comments

Sames goes I expect for "businesses hiring remote workers," only a Californian would have the arrogance to believe that all those businesses are somehow addicted to hiring in California.

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onlyrealcuzzo2y ago

Even if you assume 100% of them go away - I'd wager voters in California would prefer to have current conditions improved than an ever so slight increase in opportunities in the future.

On the flip side - close to 20% of Californians work remote full-time. And some estimates are as high as 40% for workers that work from home at least once a week.

Is this a good policy? Who knows.

Is it going to be popular? I think so.

scarab922y ago

Higher cost jurisdictions experience a hollowing out of their economies over time.

onlyrealcuzzo2y ago

Yes, the middle class is being hollowed out - but is it really significantly more so than anywhere else in the US?

kwhitefoot2y ago

> Higher cost jurisdictions experience a hollowing out of their economies over time.

That doesn't seem to be true of Norway. But Norway retains control of much of its primary resources. Australia could do the same; it's a political problem not a directly economic one.

arrosenberg2y ago

> Sames goes I expect for "businesses hiring remote workers," only a Californian would have the arrogance to believe that all those businesses are somehow addicted to hiring in California.

It's not arrogance when history bears it out time and time again.

> So what this kind of stuff does is crush small businesses in California, and leave only the large ones standing.

You are claiming that small businesses will stop existing in California if employers have to pay necessary costs? The same ones they'd have to pay in an office setting, less rent? Doubt.

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