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0 pointsToucanLoucan2y ago0 comments

> If that means fewer/smaller startups, small businesses? Ultimately, so be it.

This is really what it comes down to. If your business can't afford to employ people then people don't need to work for less, your business needs to cease operations.

This bizarre entitlement entrepreneurs seem to experience baffles me. I don't care if the cost of labor makes your business inoperable. Tough shit. The last year or so I've had to make a lot of adjustments to my life to account for everything getting more expensive, it happens. If your business is on such a razor's edge that you can't deal with new expenses then it sounds like your business is poorly operated.

I don't even understand how this isn't the norm. When I was hired on to my current job, they were prepared to send me home from my onboarding with everything I could need, including monitors and an expensable amount to equip an office. I didn't need really any of it because I was already setup for remote, but like, why wouldn't you be ready to do this? Asking workers to use their personal devices to do their jobs is some top tier horseshit, not only from ethics but from security perspectives too.

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ryandrake2y ago

Thank you. Businesses don't have some inherent, natural, god-given right to exist. We, the people, through the state, graciously allow them to exist and regulate them so that they operate in accordance with some public good. And even then, they have to earn their existence by being a financially viable business. It's a big hurdle, deliberately so.

This idea that, ohhhhh we can't regulate business because it will make them sad and even make some of them go out of business! The horror! They are not entitled to exist in the first place.

signatoremo2y ago

Such a narrow perspective.

First of all almost all of them don’t make it. They aren’t entitled for anything, they fight for any success. And the odd is heavily stacked against them. Check with your local restaurants.

Second of all small businesses provide the majority of the jobs. Your income directly or indirectly rely on the success of small businesses. Your town is kept safe and clean thanks in no small part to the tax money they pay.

You’d want them to success, not berate them with “the horror”. They have to operate within laws and regulations of course. But there are good and bad regulations. Keep the good ones. Take the bad away.

PM_me_your_math2y ago

You might want to retake your constitutional law courses. The Commerce Clause (Article I, Section 8) grants the government power to regulate business. It does not grant citizens the right to do business. The right to do business and participate in commerce and trade is a natural right. You do not allow businesses to exist. You are nobody.

FireBeyond2y ago

Then being more specific: you do not have a right to a profitable/successful business. Nobody is required to inconvenience themselves for the benefit of your business and pocket.

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TheCoelacanth2y ago

You might want to reread the first sentence of the Constitution to see who grants the government the power to do anything.

FireBeyond2y ago

Yup. And often those same people will say to others "you need to live within your means".

But when it comes to their business, all of a sudden they're entitled to a lot of things.

I'm all for small business, and vehemently support many.

But there's no constitutionally guaranteed right to a successful business.

ToucanLoucanOP2y ago

> Yup. And often those same people will say to others "you need to live within your means".

And it's ONLY when the given expense is labor. That is the only time this small business apologia goes on a rampage decrying whatever it is. Materials? Rent? Consumables? Safety stuff? Nothing. Crickets.

Laborers are asking for something to offset their costs to work for you? The shit hits the fan and we get a round of think-pieces about entitled workers.

Fuck off. Just fuck all the way off.

avgcorrection2y ago

> This is really what it comes down to. If your business can't afford to employ people then people don't need to work for less, your business needs to cease operations.

No, you’re not supposed to say that. You’re supposed to immediately concede when someone brings up the holy institution of the Small Businesses. :/

chasd002y ago

> The last year or so I've had to make a lot of adjustments to my life to account for everything getting more expensive

keep driving people out of business then get ready for lots more "adjustments" to your life and standard of living.

ToucanLoucanOP2y ago

Honestly my life would get notably better if a few different VC-burning silicon valley companies would hop in a deep fryer, so this really isn't the threat you think it is.

xyzelement2y ago

//my life would get notably better if a few different VC-burning silicon valley companies would hop in a deep fryer

how?

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0 pointsToucanLoucan2y ago0 comments

> If that means fewer/smaller startups, small businesses? Ultimately, so be it.

This is really what it comes down to. If your business can't afford to employ people then people don't need to work for less, your business needs to cease operations.

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ryandrake2y ago

This idea that, ohhhhh we can't regulate business because it will make them sad and even make some of them go out of business! The horror! They are not entitled to exist in the first place.

signatoremo2y ago

Such a narrow perspective.

First of all almost all of them don’t make it. They aren’t entitled for anything, they fight for any success. And the odd is heavily stacked against them. Check with your local restaurants.

PM_me_your_math2y ago

FireBeyond2y ago

Then being more specific: you do not have a right to a profitable/successful business. Nobody is required to inconvenience themselves for the benefit of your business and pocket.

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TheCoelacanth2y ago

You might want to reread the first sentence of the Constitution to see who grants the government the power to do anything.

FireBeyond2y ago

Yup. And often those same people will say to others "you need to live within your means".

But when it comes to their business, all of a sudden they're entitled to a lot of things.

I'm all for small business, and vehemently support many.

But there's no constitutionally guaranteed right to a successful business.

ToucanLoucanOP2y ago

> Yup. And often those same people will say to others "you need to live within your means".

Laborers are asking for something to offset their costs to work for you? The shit hits the fan and we get a round of think-pieces about entitled workers.

Fuck off. Just fuck all the way off.

avgcorrection2y ago

> This is really what it comes down to. If your business can't afford to employ people then people don't need to work for less, your business needs to cease operations.

No, you’re not supposed to say that. You’re supposed to immediately concede when someone brings up the holy institution of the Small Businesses. :/

chasd002y ago

> The last year or so I've had to make a lot of adjustments to my life to account for everything getting more expensive

keep driving people out of business then get ready for lots more "adjustments" to your life and standard of living.

ToucanLoucanOP2y ago

Honestly my life would get notably better if a few different VC-burning silicon valley companies would hop in a deep fryer, so this really isn't the threat you think it is.

xyzelement2y ago

//my life would get notably better if a few different VC-burning silicon valley companies would hop in a deep fryer

how?

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