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0 pointsstandardUser2y ago0 comments

Taking a dive in a fight (losing) in order to fix the fight (for those gambling on it) would be an example of a rigged fight.

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dataflow2y ago

> Taking a dive in a fight (losing) in order to fix the fight (for those gambling on it) would be an example of a rigged fight.

That doesn't make sense... the fight is rigged (and you're claiming this would be illegal in the fight) because people happened to gamble on it? I've never seen a sport where the legality of a move depends on whether some outsider had gambled on it.

Wouldn't it be the gambling that would be rigged at that point, instead of the fight?

nickthegreek2y ago

OP’s boxing example was a perfect illustration of the common use of the word rigged. It’s rigged because the outcome was predetermined but not presented that way to the outside viewer.

dataflow2y ago

But it's still legal, no? That's my point. I'm not saying it's good, just that it's an entirely different beast from illegal conduct. US elections have always been rigged (see: legally required electoral college) but they've never been "stolen"/"illegitimate" AFAIK.

weeblewobble2y ago

No. It’s illegal to fix a sanctioned boxing match. Both in the sense of being against the rules of the entity putting on the match, and in the sense of violating the law.

Wrestling is a different beast but boxing is heavily regulated in the US

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nickthegreek2y ago

You can rig a game of monopoly, you can rig a jury. The act of something being rigged is separate from it being legal. Sometimes it is both, sometimes it is not.

jki2752y ago

If the fighter is paid to take a dive, then the fight is rigged and the bettors on the outside know which way to bet. It's fraud, and yes, generally illegal.

weeblewobble2y ago

Just want to add another voice in favor of OP. They have explained this extremely clearly, it’s hard for me to imagine demanding more

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dataflow2y ago

> Taking a dive in a fight (losing) in order to fix the fight (for those gambling on it) would be an example of a rigged fight.

Wouldn't it be the gambling that would be rigged at that point, instead of the fight?

nickthegreek2y ago

OP’s boxing example was a perfect illustration of the common use of the word rigged. It’s rigged because the outcome was predetermined but not presented that way to the outside viewer.

dataflow2y ago

weeblewobble2y ago

No. It’s illegal to fix a sanctioned boxing match. Both in the sense of being against the rules of the entity putting on the match, and in the sense of violating the law.

Wrestling is a different beast but boxing is heavily regulated in the US

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nickthegreek2y ago

You can rig a game of monopoly, you can rig a jury. The act of something being rigged is separate from it being legal. Sometimes it is both, sometimes it is not.

jki2752y ago

If the fighter is paid to take a dive, then the fight is rigged and the bettors on the outside know which way to bet. It's fraud, and yes, generally illegal.

weeblewobble2y ago

Just want to add another voice in favor of OP. They have explained this extremely clearly, it’s hard for me to imagine demanding more

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