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0 pointsdb-interface2y ago0 comments

I don't mean to say that he was a closet NRx -- and IMO neither did Metz imply that -- just that he agreed with a much larger subset of their controversial views than he or his allies admitted publicly. I would consider that being "sympathetic" to NRx.

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kragen2y ago

i don't think the leaked screenshots support those conclusions; i don't have any idea where you're getting those conclusions from

sudosysgen2y ago

If you believe that differences in behaviours between groups of humans are significantly explained by genetic variation (which is supported by the evidence to some degree), and that those genetic variations align along racial lines (which really isn't), what do you think that entails on social outcomes between racial groups?

db-interfaceOP2y ago

In them he says "HBD is probably partially correct" -- do you think that's not a NRx view (I agree others also hold it, but I would argue that it's a core view of NRx -- it doesn't need to be exclusive to them, e.g. Islam considers Jesus a prophet too), or that he publicly held that position previously?

red75prime2y ago

You can agree that people are different, and, simultaneously, don't agree that, say, the less useful ones should be stripped of some of their rights.

db-interfaceOP2y ago

If you view some races as generally "less useful" than others, most people would consider that racist regardless of whether you think they should enjoy the same rights.

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kragen2y ago

note that neoreaction is opposed wholesale to the idea of human rights

kragen2y ago

i'm not familiar with the varieties of neoreaction that consider it a core view, though apparently to my surprise they do exist

i think the vast majority of racists aren't neoreactionaries, though. like literally more than 99.9%

db-interfaceOP2y ago

I spent a lot of time on SSC from 2013 to 2017, and my recollection is that the Venn diagram of commenters promoting HBD and those promoting RDx was nearly a circle. And similarly for related sites like LW. So in that context I would say the two are closely related.

I find it hard to believe you've been exposed to much NRx content if you don't think they consider HBD true and very important. Although don't take that as a criticism -- I would not recommend wading through their beliefs and look back on it as a waste of my time.

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kragen2y ago

i don't think the leaked screenshots support those conclusions; i don't have any idea where you're getting those conclusions from

sudosysgen2y ago

db-interfaceOP2y ago

red75prime2y ago

You can agree that people are different, and, simultaneously, don't agree that, say, the less useful ones should be stripped of some of their rights.

db-interfaceOP2y ago

If you view some races as generally "less useful" than others, most people would consider that racist regardless of whether you think they should enjoy the same rights.

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kragen2y ago

note that neoreaction is opposed wholesale to the idea of human rights

kragen2y ago

i'm not familiar with the varieties of neoreaction that consider it a core view, though apparently to my surprise they do exist

i think the vast majority of racists aren't neoreactionaries, though. like literally more than 99.9%

db-interfaceOP2y ago

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