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First SBF gets busted for being too greedy, and now Helen Toner gets busted because she's not greedy enough. EA just can't catch a break.

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alvah2y ago

People with a child’s view of the world, in charge of $billions of other people’s money, is the common theme.

0xDEAFBEADOP2y ago

There's been a ton of criticism of Helen here in this thread and elsewhere, but I haven't seen anyone clearly articulate what Helen should have done. Everyone says she did the wrong thing, but no one has said what the right thing actually was.

Here's my guess: I think OpenAI should have prioritized character more in its hiring. Ending up with an organization full of employees who cared more about making money than upholding the charter was a mistake. Ultimately it's not enough for the people on the board to have character. The CEO and employees need to have character too.

alvah2y ago

I don't know nearly enough about the OpenAI situation to suggest what she should have done (apart from "not help to press the self-destruct button," with the benefit of hindsight). However, I've read a bit about EA since the SBF debacle, and a childlike naivete does seem to be baked into the DNA of many of its followers.

0xDEAFBEADOP2y ago

You would prefer that $billions be managed by the same snakes in suits who destroy the environment, market products that give people lung cancer, etc.?

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leroy_masochist2y ago

> I think OpenAI should have prioritized character more in its hiring.

I think OpenAI should have prioritized sanity more in its board member selection.

0xDEAFBEADOP2y ago

Toner is unpopular on Twitter because a lot of people in Silicon Valley have a financial stake in OpenAI. For example, employees with equity have a strong financial incentive to discredit the board: https://nitter.net/JacquesThibs/status/1727134087176204410#m

Just because you're unpopular doesn't mean you're insane.

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alvah2y ago

People with a child’s view of the world, in charge of $billions of other people’s money, is the common theme.

0xDEAFBEADOP2y ago

alvah2y ago

0xDEAFBEADOP2y ago

You would prefer that $billions be managed by the same snakes in suits who destroy the environment, market products that give people lung cancer, etc.?

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leroy_masochist2y ago

> I think OpenAI should have prioritized character more in its hiring.

I think OpenAI should have prioritized sanity more in its board member selection.

0xDEAFBEADOP2y ago

Just because you're unpopular doesn't mean you're insane.

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