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0 pointssophacles13y ago0 comments

If you have your kill-date iterate rapidly enough, and advertise it well enough, people who build products on your API will keep up, or the competitors will and take their business.

Heck, if you want to be really hand-holdy about it, have an warnmesage attribute in your returns that mentions various issues, and start throwing deprication warnings some $time before the kill date as a reminder.

And the number of bugs and security holes coming directly out of backwards compatibility in MS products was a very big issue for a very long time. Lately they have been doing much less in terms of backwards compatibility (e.g. run in "compatibility mode"), probably as and outgrowth of this.

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6ren13y ago

Or customers will switch to a competitor's API that doesn't keep trashing their app with "improvements' that are not usable for that specific app.

But your proposal is interesting: if things are improving all the time, API-users need to be upgrading all the time and adapting to the new features anyway - so any incompatibility necessary for those features is no problem.

It depends on the phase of market (new, growth, mature, stagnating) for that specific API. At the moment, most web-APIs usages are "new".

cek13y ago

I think sophacles is onto something here.

In my post I tried to make it clear that backwards compatibility is a challenge for successful APIs.

However, I guess if you don't want to make your APIs successful you can do all kinds of things that make them harder to use, like putting in draconian kill-dates, warnmessages, etc... Make sure your documentation is extra-long and wordy too while you're at it.

Because, sophacles, is right: if you don't have a successful API you don't have to worry about pissing customers off.

sophaclesOP13y ago

This is a false dilemma. Just because you set up some opposing conditions: backwards compatibility or unsuccessful api doesn't actually make it true. Just an assertion.

Having a reasonable end of life on support never hurt apple. There are lots of things that I can no longer run on the latest version of OSX. This happens every time the OS upgrades. Except of course they don't use versioned APIs, so it is much less planned for and not really as easy to deal with for devs.

I'm not saying make a shitty API, I'm saying, if you have the people who depend on your product know that changes happen, they can prepare for it. If you release a new version of the API every 6 months, and only support them for 18 months, you can make the api migrate slowly enough that it isn't a serious change for each version.

In native code: anything compiled to old APIs can link to old versions of your library, and just work the same way. In web apis: the world changes faster than the 18 month thing anyway, so whatever.

If people want to depend on your bugs, you told them not to, they can deal with the changes.

chii13y ago

"There are lots of things that I can no longer run on the latest version of OSX. This happens every time the OS upgrades."

This is what i hate about osx - they freaking change the OS drastically, and my apps break. Sure, there might be a new version, but when i compare mac OSX to windows, windows kicks ass because you know what? i can _still_ run crap that i used to run in win95!

loverobots13y ago

Having a reasonable end of life on support never hurt apple.

Just because the iPhone is doing great, doesn't mean businesses and other slow movers avoid Apple because of this. My point is, we don't know if this hurts Apple or not.

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