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0 pointsresonious2y ago0 comments

I suspect there's not just one cause of slowness here. Pure language benchmarks also tend to rank Ruby very low. So I'd wager that a fast Ruby framework would still lose to a fast Go framework.

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Alifatisk2y ago

Absolutely, I should maybe clarify that I did not mean to say that we can fully rule out the language itself as a cause of the poor performance, Ruby always perform worse than Go in this example for obvious reasons.

But, saying that the frameworks using the language under the hood has almost no relevancy is wrong in my opinion! And that is what I was trying to point out.

pdimitar2y ago

> But, saying that the frameworks using the language under the hood has almost no relevancy is wrong in my opinion!

I did not claim that in general sense, I said it with the context that even if Ruby got accelerated a lot then that's still kind of inconsequential because most Ruby usage is Rails.

Alifatisk2y ago

Oh okey, that clarifies it!

cutler2y ago

Apples to oranges again. A more relevant comparison would be Ruby to Python and in recent years Ruby has edged ahead in performance if you factor-out Python's C-based libraries such as Numpy.

resoniousOP2y ago

If we're comparing "programming languages that can be used to make websites" then it's totally apples to apples. Ruby and Go (and Rust, Java, etc) are all valid options and so I think it's smart to compare them before starting a web project.

csjh2y ago

Isn’t factoring out C based libraries ignoring a large part of the Python ecosystem?

Lio2y ago

It's not that you should factor them out but if C is actually doing the work you can call the same excellent libraries from Ruby too.

e.g. Numo for NumPy or Ruby-Polars for python polars.

Alifatisk2y ago

I haven’t used Python in years but from what I’ve understood by reading other comments, factoring out C-based libraries would rule out a large portion of what makes Python so popular. Especially on the scientific side.

So I think you’re right.

pdimitar2y ago

How is a C codebase a part of the Python ecosystem?

More accurate statement would be: Python is piggy-backing on hugely successful C libraries and claims big performance on their backs, IMO.

cutler2y ago

Yes, but if you're comparing language performance that's important.

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Alifatisk2y ago

But, saying that the frameworks using the language under the hood has almost no relevancy is wrong in my opinion! And that is what I was trying to point out.

pdimitar2y ago

> But, saying that the frameworks using the language under the hood has almost no relevancy is wrong in my opinion!

I did not claim that in general sense, I said it with the context that even if Ruby got accelerated a lot then that's still kind of inconsequential because most Ruby usage is Rails.

Alifatisk2y ago

Oh okey, that clarifies it!

cutler2y ago

Apples to oranges again. A more relevant comparison would be Ruby to Python and in recent years Ruby has edged ahead in performance if you factor-out Python's C-based libraries such as Numpy.

resoniousOP2y ago

csjh2y ago

Isn’t factoring out C based libraries ignoring a large part of the Python ecosystem?

Lio2y ago

It's not that you should factor them out but if C is actually doing the work you can call the same excellent libraries from Ruby too.

e.g. Numo for NumPy or Ruby-Polars for python polars.

Alifatisk2y ago

So I think you’re right.

pdimitar2y ago

How is a C codebase a part of the Python ecosystem?

More accurate statement would be: Python is piggy-backing on hugely successful C libraries and claims big performance on their backs, IMO.

cutler2y ago

Yes, but if you're comparing language performance that's important.

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