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0 pointseganist2y ago0 comments

> Quite the opposite actually. My intent is to shed light on the fact that sharing information with OpenAI is not private. And you should not do that with information that you wouldn't even share with people you trust.

I'm not OP, but I think you're missing the point.

Privacy and trust isn't really a 1D gradient, it's probably planar or even spatial if anything.

Personally I'd be more willing to trust OpenAI with certain conversations because the blowback if it leaves their control is different than if I have that same conversation with my best friend and it leaves my best friend's control. The same premise underlies how patients can choose who to disclose their own health matters to, or choose who their providers can disclose to.

Same reason behind why someone may be willing to post a relationship situation to r/relationship_advice and yet not talk about the same thing with family and friends.

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Zambyte2y ago

> Same reason behind why someone may be willing to post a relationship situation to r/relationship_advice and yet not talk about the same thing with family and friends.

I ask that you consider the people who use Reddit and the people who run Reddit independently. The people who use Reddit are not in a position of power over someone who asks for advice. The people who run Reddit on the other hand, are in a position of power to be able to emotionally manipulate the person who asked for advice. They can show you emotionally manipulative posts to keep your attention for longer. They can promote your post among people who are likely to respond in ways that keep you coming back.

OpenAI has a similar position of power. That's why you shouldn't trust people at either of those companies with your private thoughts.

eganistOP2y ago

You're assuming power comes with an assumed guarantee of use. OpenAI has vast amounts of power with the data they're collecting, but the likelihood of OpenAI using it against any individual is small enough that an individual could consider it to be outside their threat model (I'm speaking using security language, but I doubt most people go so far as to threat model these interactions; it's mostly intuitive at this point).

Your family has limited power in the grand scheme of things, but the likelihood that they may leverage what power you give them over you is much higher.

The IRS has vast power and is likely to use it against you, hence why tax fraud is usually a bad idea.

Hence "planar" rather than linear.

Zambyte2y ago

> OpenAI has vast amounts of power with the data they're collecting, but the likelihood of OpenAI using it against any individual is small enough that an individual could consider it to be outside their threat model

I think your use of the word "individual" is a bit weird here. I absolutely find it likely that OpenAI is doing individualized manipulation against everyone who uses their systems. Maybe this would be more obvious if you replace OpenAI with something like Facebook or Youtube in your head.

Just because they are using their power on many individuals doesn't mean that they are not using their power against you too.

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0 pointseganist2y ago0 comments

I'm not OP, but I think you're missing the point.

Privacy and trust isn't really a 1D gradient, it's probably planar or even spatial if anything.

Same reason behind why someone may be willing to post a relationship situation to r/relationship_advice and yet not talk about the same thing with family and friends.

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Zambyte2y ago

> Same reason behind why someone may be willing to post a relationship situation to r/relationship_advice and yet not talk about the same thing with family and friends.

OpenAI has a similar position of power. That's why you shouldn't trust people at either of those companies with your private thoughts.

eganistOP2y ago

Your family has limited power in the grand scheme of things, but the likelihood that they may leverage what power you give them over you is much higher.

The IRS has vast power and is likely to use it against you, hence why tax fraud is usually a bad idea.

Hence "planar" rather than linear.

Zambyte2y ago

Just because they are using their power on many individuals doesn't mean that they are not using their power against you too.

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