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0 pointsetchalon2y ago0 comments

They gave a reason. That doesn't mean the facts supported that reason. The employee didn't believe they did.

Not closing a deal in your first month of sales is not exactly unheard of or even uncommon.

Either way, WT lawsuits don't generally "win or lose". They settle.

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NicoJuicy2y ago

The facts support the reason ( 0 sales), although there are nuances ( timeframe - 4,5 months)

There's also a lot of missing context.

- what happened in those 3 opportunities that she tried to close a deal

- perhaps she's missing a technical background to actually close a deal, since Cloudflare is a very technical product

No one from us knows the details, so it's speculation.

4,5 months is still a bit fast though. Getting a new employee up to speed takes 6 months in a lot of cases.

But mostly you know it sooner when it wouldn't work out.

etchalonOP2y ago

You went from "the facts supported the reason" to "we don't have all the facts necessary to know if the facts supported the reason." to "from the facts we know, the reason seems sus."

NicoJuicy2y ago

You don't need to know everything, to acknowledge that 0 sales supports a bad performance review.

Here's additionally info that you didn't knew: https://softwarestackinvesting.com/cloudflare-net-q2-2023-ea... - profitability

100 people were fired and replaced, in the hope to get less underperforming sales people.

=> Facts support this situation and it's consistent to what happened in may last year too.

This is a follow up with the people that were layed off for underperforming. To see if they weren't...

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NicoJuicy2y ago

The facts support the reason ( 0 sales), although there are nuances ( timeframe - 4,5 months)

There's also a lot of missing context.

- what happened in those 3 opportunities that she tried to close a deal

- perhaps she's missing a technical background to actually close a deal, since Cloudflare is a very technical product

No one from us knows the details, so it's speculation.

4,5 months is still a bit fast though. Getting a new employee up to speed takes 6 months in a lot of cases.

But mostly you know it sooner when it wouldn't work out.

etchalonOP2y ago

You went from "the facts supported the reason" to "we don't have all the facts necessary to know if the facts supported the reason." to "from the facts we know, the reason seems sus."

NicoJuicy2y ago

You don't need to know everything, to acknowledge that 0 sales supports a bad performance review.

Here's additionally info that you didn't knew: https://softwarestackinvesting.com/cloudflare-net-q2-2023-ea... - profitability

100 people were fired and replaced, in the hope to get less underperforming sales people.

=> Facts support this situation and it's consistent to what happened in may last year too.

This is a follow up with the people that were layed off for underperforming. To see if they weren't...

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse