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0 pointsexplaininjs2y ago0 comments

The fact that they already sell the most popular electric vehicle in the US and Japan, and have done so since they launched the very beginning of electric vehicles, over 25 years ago? (Pruis)

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kjksf2y ago

Ignoring that Prius is a hybrid and not an EV:

Toyota sold 30k in 2023, the lowest number ever.

Tesla sold 400k of Model Y and 210k of Model 3 and 31k of Model X in 2024.

So Model Y outsold Prius by 13x in US in 2023.

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https://carfigures.com/us-market-brand/toyota/prius-family

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/01/29/tesla-model-ys-huge-gro...

josefresco2y ago

Look at the insanely huge sales of the RAV4 hybrid. Americans don't buy small cars, we buy SUV/CUVs and Toyota is the king.

rootusrootus2y ago

Didn't the Model Y outsell the RAV4 in 2023? I guess there are estimates that go both ways on that, but nobody really disputes that the RAV4 and Model Y are neck-and-neck. Would be nice if Tesla released actual numbers.

josefresco2y ago

Doesn't look like it.

4. Toyota RAV4 (434,943 units sold)

5. Tesla Model Y (385,900 units sold, estimated)

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars...

This source says the Model Y sold 403,897 (still behind the RAV4) https://www.visualcapitalist.com/best-selling-vehicles-in-am...

This source says Model Y sales were 394,497: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/06/top-10-best-selling-cars-in-...

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luuurker2y ago

Hybrid. I'm nitpicking, but current full electric Toyota cars are not that good or popular.

itsoktocry2y ago

Electric cars are not that popular, period.

Hybrids may turn out to be a more popular option.

rootusrootus2y ago

> Electric cars are not that popular, period.

That is a matter of opinion. As a brand new technology, I think a market share approaching 10% is incredible. Only fans thought this was possible even 5 years ago.

quonn2y ago

Hybrids have basically all the possible parts that can break.

lotsofpulp2y ago

But Toyota’s hybrids have a very good reputation regarding longevity and low cost of ownership.

explaininjsOP2y ago

Not really, the transmission can be made much simpler and more robust.

mrguyorama2y ago

But the entire selling point of Toyota to most people is that it WONT break, at least for 150k miles.

luuurker2y ago

What I meant is that Toyota electric cars are not popular inside the electric category. From range to charging speeds, they're behind other brands.

explaininjsOP2y ago

Ha, I read that as Tesla and it's still true. Almost like there's more to a car than range and charing speed.

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kjksf2y ago

Ignoring that Prius is a hybrid and not an EV:

Toyota sold 30k in 2023, the lowest number ever.

Tesla sold 400k of Model Y and 210k of Model 3 and 31k of Model X in 2024.

So Model Y outsold Prius by 13x in US in 2023.

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https://carfigures.com/us-market-brand/toyota/prius-family

https://cleantechnica.com/2024/01/29/tesla-model-ys-huge-gro...

josefresco2y ago

Look at the insanely huge sales of the RAV4 hybrid. Americans don't buy small cars, we buy SUV/CUVs and Toyota is the king.

rootusrootus2y ago

josefresco2y ago

Doesn't look like it.

4. Toyota RAV4 (434,943 units sold)

5. Tesla Model Y (385,900 units sold, estimated)

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/g43553191/bestselling-cars...

This source says the Model Y sold 403,897 (still behind the RAV4) https://www.visualcapitalist.com/best-selling-vehicles-in-am...

This source says Model Y sales were 394,497: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/01/06/top-10-best-selling-cars-in-...

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luuurker2y ago

Hybrid. I'm nitpicking, but current full electric Toyota cars are not that good or popular.

itsoktocry2y ago

Electric cars are not that popular, period.

Hybrids may turn out to be a more popular option.

rootusrootus2y ago

> Electric cars are not that popular, period.

That is a matter of opinion. As a brand new technology, I think a market share approaching 10% is incredible. Only fans thought this was possible even 5 years ago.

quonn2y ago

Hybrids have basically all the possible parts that can break.

lotsofpulp2y ago

But Toyota’s hybrids have a very good reputation regarding longevity and low cost of ownership.

explaininjsOP2y ago

Not really, the transmission can be made much simpler and more robust.

mrguyorama2y ago

But the entire selling point of Toyota to most people is that it WONT break, at least for 150k miles.

luuurker2y ago

What I meant is that Toyota electric cars are not popular inside the electric category. From range to charging speeds, they're behind other brands.

explaininjsOP2y ago

Ha, I read that as Tesla and it's still true. Almost like there's more to a car than range and charing speed.

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