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0 pointsSEJeff2y ago0 comments

They stated that AFTER they just cut the network access to the hosts. It isn’t as though we were doing anything ethically or legally wrong. We were running rpc nodes for legit applications and a validator to secure the network.

For me, who’s worked in 50,000+ bare metal Linux environments before, it was just so surprising how sudden and violent it was. Their customer support was amazing until it wasn’t.

Just let it be a lesson, they will arbitrarily change their mind and put your nodes running your business at risk. Even if you’ve broken no laws and are operating in good faith. We were not running and proof of work nonsense that breaks the hardware or uses excess electricity.

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sgift2y ago

> It isn’t as though we were doing anything ethically or legally wrong.

Legally? Well, they probably have a "if we think you do something we don't like we can kick you off" clause. Ethically? Eh .. Crypto. Ethical. Opinions differ.

shaism2y ago

I am not a big fan of crypto either, but don’t understand why crypto (the technology itself) would be unethical.

Could you explain?

Cryptoanti2y ago

I don't know any working thing using crypto in a way that it acutally make sense and couldn't be already be done easier and similiar safe.

Even in big companies you always see examples which break the technology like creating something on the blockchain which has a connection to the real world.

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edmundsauto2y ago

Energy use that doesn't deliver concrete value to the world. Mostly just speculators and gambling, but uses a a couple hundred TWh of electricity worldwide.

Yes yes I know, some applications are lower energy usage but parent comment is asking about the ethics of crypto in general.

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ahofmann2y ago

You're angry in the wrong direction. It is not their fault that you, or someone in your company, didn't read their TOS. Hetzners service is cheap, this attracts bad actors. In their eyes you are a bad actor and according to their TOS they're right. I, as a customer of Hetzner, are happy about how they deal with people abusing their services.

SEJeffOP2y ago

We read their ToS. Our lawyers read their ToS. It has a vague “we can kick you off if we choose to” part, but removing service with no recourse was not ok. So we told them we would sue them if they didn’t give us access to shred sensitive data and they relented.

ahofmann2y ago

This is the sentence, in Hetzners ToS, that you're referring to: "In the case of non-compliance, we are entitled to lock your access to the Service and/or to your account." Source: https://www.hetzner.com/de/legal/terms-and-conditions/#16

If your lawyers thought that this line means something different than "don't use crypto, mining, etc. we will lock you out", you should change/sue your lawyers. This is a clear as it gets, I see zero fault on Hetzners side.

Cryptoanti2y ago

Honestly hetzner was never the 'high end / high quality' cloud provider for me.

They have decend hardware and infra but no encryption on rest and everything else a real business requires (certifications etc.).

But i'm so dismissive about all shitty crypto because no one ever showed me a good use case, as others said, i think its great that hetzner has this tos.

-So what do you actually do?- forget about it, finance got it...

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0 pointsSEJeff2y ago0 comments

For me, who’s worked in 50,000+ bare metal Linux environments before, it was just so surprising how sudden and violent it was. Their customer support was amazing until it wasn’t.

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sgift2y ago

> It isn’t as though we were doing anything ethically or legally wrong.

Legally? Well, they probably have a "if we think you do something we don't like we can kick you off" clause. Ethically? Eh .. Crypto. Ethical. Opinions differ.

shaism2y ago

I am not a big fan of crypto either, but don’t understand why crypto (the technology itself) would be unethical.

Could you explain?

Cryptoanti2y ago

I don't know any working thing using crypto in a way that it acutally make sense and couldn't be already be done easier and similiar safe.

Even in big companies you always see examples which break the technology like creating something on the blockchain which has a connection to the real world.

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edmundsauto2y ago

Energy use that doesn't deliver concrete value to the world. Mostly just speculators and gambling, but uses a a couple hundred TWh of electricity worldwide.

Yes yes I know, some applications are lower energy usage but parent comment is asking about the ethics of crypto in general.

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ahofmann2y ago

SEJeffOP2y ago

ahofmann2y ago

Cryptoanti2y ago

Honestly hetzner was never the 'high end / high quality' cloud provider for me.

They have decend hardware and infra but no encryption on rest and everything else a real business requires (certifications etc.).

But i'm so dismissive about all shitty crypto because no one ever showed me a good use case, as others said, i think its great that hetzner has this tos.

-So what do you actually do?- forget about it, finance got it...

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse