Show HN: Richard – A CNN written in C++ and Vulkan (no ML or math libs) (opens in new tab)

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184 pointsrjinman2y ago24 comments

This started out as a personal effort to learn more about machine learning. It's currently a CLI app where you give it a JSON file specifying your network architecture and hyperparameters and point it to your training data, then invoke it again in 'eval' mode with some data it's not seen before and it will try to classify each sample.

I don't see many other people using Vulkan for GPGPU, and there may be many good reasons for that, but I wanted to try something a bit different.

I've made every attempt to make the code very clean and readable and I've written up the math in documentation/math.pdf, so hopefully this is a useful learning resource for anyone interested in how neural nets work under the hood.

I'll be continuing to add new features over the coming months.

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Const-me2y ago

Interestingly, I have a similar project with C# for the higher-level pieces, and Direct3D 11 GPU API instead of Vulkan: https://github.com/Const-me/Cgml

> don't see many other people using Vulkan for GPGPU, and there may be many good reasons for that

I think the main of these reasons is nVidia’s contributions to the ecosystem. It’s much easier to call library functions implemented by cuDNN or cuBLAS first-party library, than it is to write and dispatch compute shaders to multiply these matrices.

However, for use cases when hardware costs are substantial compared to software development costs, using Vulkan or D3D can be a reasonable thing to do. nVidia is too greedy, in the EULA of their drivers they forbid to use GeForce GPUs in data centres. For people who need GPGPU on their servers, that paragraph of text sometimes makes nVidia hardware an order of magnitude more expensive than AMD hardware.

Eager2y ago

What a great project! One of my favorite things to see is when people implement as much as possible themselves. It really makes a big difference to have control over what is going on. And it is great for educational purposes of course.

I'm definitely going to be looking at this. Hope you had fun making it.

pjmlp2y ago

> I don't see many other people using Vulkan for GPGPU, and there may be many good reasons for that, but I wanted to try something a bit different.

A big reason is that C++ for Vulkan (SPIR-V) isn't quite there, while CUDA does C, C++20 (minus modules currently), Fortran, Haskell, Java, C#, Julia, Python JITs, and anything else that might target PTX.

SPIR was a late response after Khronos realized the world wasn't willing to be stuck with C for GPGPU, and the tooling is still catching up to PTX.

sieste2y ago

Very nice project, congratulations! Have you done any performance comparisons with tensorflow or pytorch?

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sevagh2y ago

Lots of C++ inference code out there but this does training as well - impressive.

jeena2y ago

That reminds me of a small project I did to classify drawings of cats and dogs 10 years ago with machine learning https://jeena.net/catdog but no neural networks back then, just things like Canny edge detector, Hough transform, k-nearest neighbor, etc.

stanleykm2y ago

Very cool. I always find doing these kinds of toy projects is a great way of dipping your toes in the deep end of a new subject.

SomeoneFromCA2y ago

Huh. I wanted to do the same for many years, but you have actually done first. Cool!

jgord2y ago

Can you comment :

how well does Vulcan api fit Neural Net primitives [ matmul / relu / backprop / tensor arrays ] ?

Also.. do you think the in-browser WebGPU api, the successor to webGL, is a good api for NN ?

rjinmanOP2y ago

The short answer to the first question is… not great.

There are no Vulkan constructs corresponding to those things. Vulkan lets you run compute shaders written in GLSL, HLSL, or any language for which there exists a compiler that outputs SPIR-V. Vulkan doesn’t have its own shader language. Deciding how to break the problem down into separate shader programs each with different workgroup sizes is a challenge.

And the end result performs very poorly compared with tensorflow. However, I haven’t yet put much effort into optimisation, so I expect there’s some easy performance gains to be made.

I don’t know anything about WebGL or WebGPU.

hnben2y ago

> Vulkan lets you run compute shaders written in GLSL, HLSL, or any language for which there exists a compiler that outputs SPIR-V.

Context: I am interested in writing GPU-code as well (for ML too, but also for custom physic simulation). I also think, that compute-shaders are the way to go. But my intution says, that openCL would be simpler than vulcan.

Question: Have you considered alternatives to vulcan's compute shaders? (e.g. opencl instead of vulcan, or maybe some other ways entirely to run GPU code, such as rust-gpu)

olliej2y ago

I liked the original post title that left me momentarily confused going "why is CNN writing articles in C++?????"

RecycledEle2y ago

What is a CNN?

HelloNurse2y ago

A Convolutional Neural Network, which is particularly processing-intensive (convolutions over large numbers of inputs, large matrix multiplications) but quite effective compared to other machine learning approaches.

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