NPM Install Everything, and the Complete and Utter Chaos That Follows (opens in new tab)

Do they? Someone tried to solve a large problem with the package manager, and inadvertently created a larger problem. That simply indicates the folks at NPM didn't fully think through the edge cases of their problem/solution.

I'm curious if other package managers have the same problem identified by the author, or are susceptible to the "left-pad" problem?

Besides, between the words of a random person and a multi-billion corporation, what one should believe is quite obvious.

But moderation frameworks in general suffer from this problem, where people just throw baseless accusations around, pigeonhole behaviors into small crimes, and publish calumnious claims. It's quite obvious why those problems appear, and why communities often end-up hating moderators. What isn't obvious is how to solve it.

Thank you for your encouragement. I actually had to think about if I should post this on my blog, because despite being cool, it was also pretty terrifying. Interestingly, it seems HN moderators don't like it either[0] ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

[0]: https://github.com/vitoplantamura/HackerNewsRemovals?tab=rea...

Great work! Package management and supply chain issues are definitely something which have by no means been solved. I appreciate that you did your experiment as it pushes the community forward to think solutions to these problems.

I think you should still build some kind of script to install every available package and then do some interesting analysis from the result. For example I'm sure there are supply chain troijan horses awaiting to be discovered.

One of the lessons from the old book the design of everyday things is that when someone uses an artifact incorrectly, it is not the fault of the user but instead the fault of the designer who allowed such a use.

One of the examples in the books are people who keep on pulling on a handle on a door that's meant to be pushed on when the handle looks like a pull handle.

You did nothing other than pull on the pull handle. That the door frame came out of the wall is not your fault.

You mentioned contacting the security teams, was that/did you try HackerOne? I don't think they would allow you to try to deliberately do it from the outset (the preferred reproduction would surely be 1. Create package A; 2. Create package B via another owner; 3. Demonstrate that B rendered A un-unpublishable^) but you might have had more luck explaining that you stumbled into it and need help unwinding it there.

Funny idea, dumb policy, nice write-up!

^In the article you write 'immutable', but I think you mean that it can't be unpublished/de-listed? I suppose definitions vary you could call that immutable, but to me the versions are always immutable so that implies no new version could be published which I don't think was the case?

Thanks, I (TFA author) missed this thread.