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0 pointsbloaf1y ago0 comments

There is a great reason for doing it: nothing else has worked.

Unilateral withdrawal from Gaza led to the tripling of rocket attacks. Multiple peace offers have been rejected. Limited Israeli retaliation and extensive international aid has meant the Palestinian civilian population is sufficiently insulated from the violence that they have no incentive to demand peace from their leaders.

When Palestine was sending children as suicide bombers, Israel decided to play defense and built walls that dramatically lowered the efficacy of suicide bombings. So the Palestinians switched to rockets. So Israel again played defense and built the iron dome. So Hamas switched to Oct. 7th. Do you think they should play defense again?

Tell me: what peace offer do you think Israel could make the Palestinians that would lead to a lasting peace? Tell me: if Israel surrendered unconditionally to the Palestinians, would the Israelis live in peace?

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ceejayoz1y ago

> There is a great reason for doing it: nothing else has worked.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politician's_syllogism

mandmandam1y ago

These lines aren't working any more.

You don't get to massacre tens of thousands of people because they fight back against brutal occupation and repeated massacres, then paint yourself as the victim.

The world's eyes are open. We've seen what happened to those WCK aid workers; to Hind Rajab, to Reem and Taleb, and all the others. We've seen the mosques, churches, hospitals destroyed, and the wilful, wanton disregard of international law and basic decency.

What Israel has done over the last six months hasn't made Israelis safer, nor Jews. These atrocities won't ever be forgotten.

bloafOP1y ago

There has been no period in the past nearly 100 years[0] when these two groups have not been fighting. I'm not assigning anyone "victim" status. I'm saying Israel is trying to end the conflict, and has run out of other options.

You didn't answer my questions.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tel_Hai

xyzelement1y ago

What happened to trigger the events of last October which in turn triggered this.

Hamas had the run of Gaza and could have built whatever society they wanted there. They used that chance to built up for explicitly slaughtering civilians instead.

8note1y ago

As an alternative, liberal democracy and convincing people via talking rather than fighting or dehumanizing people?

flyinglizard1y ago

Where exactly is that magical Arab country where a liberal democracy could be installed and maintained?

azinman21y ago

See above about rejected talks and deals

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