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0 pointsalpaca1281y ago0 comments

I tried Wayland (Fedora 39) on two screens and the experience was so terrible and full of bugs I gave up after less than a day. New windows open at random locations and screens no matter what's focused, UI scaling of a window is sometimes wrong for its screen, at least once an hour the screens just go blank for a couple seconds etc.

For me it's definitely not usable yet, let alone the "only choice"

> All of the effort is going into Wayland

Yes, because it's still work in progress. And at some point in the future that effort will have paid off, but that's not now and definitely not a few years ago.

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bitwize1y ago

> Yes, because it's still work in progress.

And because the X11 maintainers decided that Wayland is the way forward and X11 will simply not get new display features like HDR.

alpaca128OP1y ago

What I care about are the existing features. Bugs don't look any better in HDR. I'm sure it'll all be fixed sooner or later but until then it's a downgrade for me, and I just don't get this "best time to switch" sentiment about an unfinished component that a user shouldn't even need to know about.

ElectroBuffoon1y ago

> And because the X11 maintainers decided that Wayland is the way forward and X11 will simply not get new display features like HDR.

Is Wayland a racket? Barely maintain the previous code instead of making clear that others should take it over because you are insterested in something else, then force everyone into your new incomplete code base, and probably bill for the reimplementation of basic capabilities, piece by piece.

OTOH, not everyone involved with X11 thinks it has no future. Keith Packard posted ideas [0] about how to improve it further.

[0] https://keithp.com/x-ideas/

bitwize1y ago

What? It's been known that the X maintainers had moved on to devote almost all their efforts to Wayland for years now. And yes, part of the Wayland strategy has been -- much like with systemd -- to drag the community, kicking and screaming if need be, into modernity.

Anybody who wants to maintain Xorg is free to step up.

Nobody has really stepped up.

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0 pointsalpaca1281y ago0 comments

For me it's definitely not usable yet, let alone the "only choice"

> All of the effort is going into Wayland

Yes, because it's still work in progress. And at some point in the future that effort will have paid off, but that's not now and definitely not a few years ago.

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bitwize1y ago

> Yes, because it's still work in progress.

And because the X11 maintainers decided that Wayland is the way forward and X11 will simply not get new display features like HDR.

alpaca128OP1y ago

ElectroBuffoon1y ago

> And because the X11 maintainers decided that Wayland is the way forward and X11 will simply not get new display features like HDR.

OTOH, not everyone involved with X11 thinks it has no future. Keith Packard posted ideas [0] about how to improve it further.

[0] https://keithp.com/x-ideas/

bitwize1y ago

Anybody who wants to maintain Xorg is free to step up.

Nobody has really stepped up.

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