https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_Intelligence_Surveilla...
That is inevitable. If there is an easier path to a goal some human will use it. It doesn't matter if the goal is against the people.
Maybe don't jump to biases so fast, people within all age groups have different opinions about the same topics.
HN is very opinionated on surveillance, as the comments on this story reinforce
Yes, I am. That is in fact what I want.
> FISA protects Americans
No, it does not. At this time, the greatest threat to me (and other Americans) is in fact the glowies who want to use this sort of law to violate our civil liberties.
FISA is Congress exercising the only authority it has here, which is oversight & regulation. You could argue FISA should be stricter, but it can’t extend the Constitutional reach of the Fourth Amendment, nor can it contract it the way many in this thread believe it’s somehow doing.
Also, free nations should have higher standards than "Not a citizen? Too bad, anything goes."
Congress can't pass a law violating the Fourth Amendment. They can certainly pass a law constraining the executive from doing something that is otherwise constitutional, if the courts are reading the Fourth Amendment too narrowly.
They could also straightforwardly require the FISA court to publish its opinions, or have the same cases heard in ordinary federal courts with public accountability for the decisions. There is nothing in the constitution requiring secret courts.
But we most certainly WILL abuse individual civil rights my abusing that intel. THAT has been confirmed in history again and again.
Could you explain what you mean by this? On a tangential note, have you considered talking/explaining this with politicians/academics studying this field? Or is it more of something that's already known to those familiar with the field?
So even as damning and revealing as the Zimmerman telegram was, ultimately it was Germany's bold resumption of the torpedoing of US oceangoing traffic that catalyzed US public opinion into ending 3 years of American neutrality and joining the fight in WWI. Thus even when intel is most damning, the role of intel will always be subservient to publicly motivating events like lost lives, as in the much ballyhooed sinking of the Lusitania 2 years before (1915).
Wikipedia has a couple of outstanding articles on the topic:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_entry_into_World_Wa...
> In 1800, the British Levant Company purchases nearly half of all of the opium coming out of Smyrna, Turkey strictly for importation to Europe and the United States.
0: https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/heroin/etc/hi...
We were fine before, and arguably it would've done little to change the events that caused the reaction that allowed it to be established in the first place.
