Please don't use HN primarily for political or ideological battle. This is in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

The combination of shallow + inflammatory on divisive topics is guaranteed to make HN discussion worse, at least for its intended purpose, which is curious conversation.

This was the reason why Cuba was kept out of the “organizations of Americas”. When they finally let this stupid reasoning go, it was too late. And Cuba was no longer interested in being part of the org.

Democracy is a doorstop for foreign enterprises and influence. The locals suffer.

The U.S. has certainly been against Democracy more than once.