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0 pointsomoikane1y ago0 comments

Layoff is not the same as "fired". Please use the correct terminology in consideration for those who lost their jobs.

Also, the termination dates for those who were laid off in January 2023 would be around April 2023 (the layoff news came earlier due to WARN act), so the employee count as of 2023-03-31 might not include those people. This means a difference of ~10000 can be accounted for by the 2023-01-20 round of layoffs.

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klohto1y ago

this isn’t a fucking HR email thread, fired means layoff in these lands

hn_go_brrrrr1y ago

There's a meaningful difference between the two. You're fired for doing something wrong. You're laid off if the company wants to cut costs.

gitfan861y ago

That is what corporate HR and Executives want you to think.

Layoffs can make it look like the company is having problems so instead of doing that they will create vague KPIs so that employees will not meet them so they can be fired.

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klohto1y ago

whatever the drones command. end result is the same.

danpalmer1y ago

Have some respect. People lost their jobs. They weren't fired because they did something wrong, they were laid off because the company did something wrong.

klohto1y ago

im also being “laid off” buddy :)

amrocha1y ago

In what world is “laid off” better than “fired”? Either way the company screwed you, doesn’t matter how they justify it

iaseiadit1y ago

If you've been fired, it typically signals you had very bad performance or committed some fireable offense. If you were laid off, you were ostensibly just on the wrong team at the wrong time.

It's not about how you view your last employer, it's about how your next potential employer will view you.

winternewt1y ago

And HR will do their best to find an excuse to turn "layoff" into "fire" so the company won't need to pay unemployment

kevindamm1y ago

2023-03-31 would have been after the last day for the January layoff group, at least for US workers not in the NY office.

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0 pointsomoikane1y ago0 comments

Layoff is not the same as "fired". Please use the correct terminology in consideration for those who lost their jobs.

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klohto1y ago

this isn’t a fucking HR email thread, fired means layoff in these lands

hn_go_brrrrr1y ago

There's a meaningful difference between the two. You're fired for doing something wrong. You're laid off if the company wants to cut costs.

gitfan861y ago

That is what corporate HR and Executives want you to think.

Layoffs can make it look like the company is having problems so instead of doing that they will create vague KPIs so that employees will not meet them so they can be fired.

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klohto1y ago

whatever the drones command. end result is the same.

danpalmer1y ago

Have some respect. People lost their jobs. They weren't fired because they did something wrong, they were laid off because the company did something wrong.

klohto1y ago

im also being “laid off” buddy :)

amrocha1y ago

In what world is “laid off” better than “fired”? Either way the company screwed you, doesn’t matter how they justify it

iaseiadit1y ago

If you've been fired, it typically signals you had very bad performance or committed some fireable offense. If you were laid off, you were ostensibly just on the wrong team at the wrong time.

It's not about how you view your last employer, it's about how your next potential employer will view you.

winternewt1y ago

And HR will do their best to find an excuse to turn "layoff" into "fire" so the company won't need to pay unemployment

kevindamm1y ago

2023-03-31 would have been after the last day for the January layoff group, at least for US workers not in the NY office.

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