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0 pointspjc501y ago0 comments

In China, if you're the medium rank politician charged with ensuring that a nuclear reactor gets built in province X, and ten years later there is not an operating nuclear reactor in province X, then the Party tends to get mad. And if they find out you've stolen the money then the consequences can be fatal.

If there's any one thing that's causing a ""decline"" in the west, it's a tolerance for fraud and failure of big projects.

Edit: found a really interesting backgrounder on details of the Chinese nuclear programme. https://world-nuclear.org/Information-Library/Country-Profil...

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Krasnol1y ago

> If there's any one thing that's causing a ""decline"" in the west, it's a tolerance for fraud and failure of big projects.

You should google "Tofu-Dreg". Videos are especially entertaining.

That money get's stolen. You just build it cheaper, get smeared by contractors, employ slaves, etc.

Also, that "tolerance" of the West is surely worth a discussion, but comparing it to the ways a dictatorship enforces their laws and regulations makes it kinda, disturbing.

fallingknife1y ago

In China there is tolerance for stealing as long as the job gets done. In the USA there is tolerance for the job not getting done, but not for stealing. I used to think our system was better, but it seems like China gets more done when they accept that there will be some losses to stealing.

whizzter1y ago

Turkey has had the same kind of semantics about getting things done but that recent earthquake did prove fatal though, except in one town where they didn't allow shoddy construction.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/erzin-turkey-earthquake-b...

fransje261y ago

> the USA there is tolerance for the job not getting done, but not for stealing.

Well, at that level it's playing loosely with semantics..

The money didn't get pocketed directly, but it got misused to pay a vast amount of costs and salaries with no result. As there are no results, the costs covered can be considered fictional. Which brings us back to bribery and stealing..

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Krasnol1y ago

How does it help you if the job is "done" but causes a serious risk to lives?

As I said: the stealing still happens. It's institutionalized in China.

Your system IS better...or at least, for now. China is a dictatorship. Their way of handling "their" people is mad and dangerous. Even if you get things "done", you better be happy that you've been lucky to live in the US and not be afraid that your house may fall apart, or you disappear in some hole in the road.

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spookie1y ago

There are plenty of issues with that approach, mind you.

willcipriano1y ago

Somehow our leadership convinced us that them facing consequences is a bad idea while they erected a police state that would throw us in a cage if we so much as had a plant they don't like in our pocket.

Leaders need to face the greatest consequences. That's the price of leadership. We have things backward.

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0 pointspjc501y ago0 comments

If there's any one thing that's causing a ""decline"" in the west, it's a tolerance for fraud and failure of big projects.

Edit: found a really interesting backgrounder on details of the Chinese nuclear programme. https://world-nuclear.org/Information-Library/Country-Profil...

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Krasnol1y ago

> If there's any one thing that's causing a ""decline"" in the west, it's a tolerance for fraud and failure of big projects.

You should google "Tofu-Dreg". Videos are especially entertaining.

That money get's stolen. You just build it cheaper, get smeared by contractors, employ slaves, etc.

Also, that "tolerance" of the West is surely worth a discussion, but comparing it to the ways a dictatorship enforces their laws and regulations makes it kinda, disturbing.

fallingknife1y ago

whizzter1y ago

Turkey has had the same kind of semantics about getting things done but that recent earthquake did prove fatal though, except in one town where they didn't allow shoddy construction.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/erzin-turkey-earthquake-b...

fransje261y ago

> the USA there is tolerance for the job not getting done, but not for stealing.

Well, at that level it's playing loosely with semantics..

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Krasnol1y ago

How does it help you if the job is "done" but causes a serious risk to lives?

As I said: the stealing still happens. It's institutionalized in China.

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spookie1y ago

There are plenty of issues with that approach, mind you.

willcipriano1y ago

Leaders need to face the greatest consequences. That's the price of leadership. We have things backward.

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