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0 pointstalldayo1y ago0 comments

> and OpenAI won’t store requests.

What's a promise from Sam Altman worth, again?

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That's not a "promise from Sam Altman", that's a contractual term between Apple, Inc. and OpenAI, LLC.

So I think it's worth as much as Apple is willing to spend enforcing it, which I imagine would be quite a bit.

Idk about Sam Altman in particular, but OpenAI pulled the bait-and-switch you can still see in its name. We don't know what the contract says exactly, but there are always loopholes, and I would not assume anything OpenAI says to be in good faith.

I also don't really care, but it's understandable why some people do.

shbooms1y ago

> that's a contractual term between Apple, Inc. and OpenAI, LLC.

do you have a source on this or are you just assuming?

buildbot1y ago

Do you think this is all running off the standard openai API and they picked a dev at random in Apple to use their accounts API keys?

Of course there is some agreement…

Tagbert1y ago

It would be a very surprising business arrangement if that was not explicitly called out. Apple is not going to leave this to chance.

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spacebanana71y ago

Even if the promise were made in good faith, I fear it may be hard to resist pressure from law enforcement etc.

Turing_Machine1y ago

If Apple is sitting in the middle proxying the IP addresses, and not keeping any logs for longer than they absolutely need to, law enforcement could go pee up a rope, right?

talldayoOP1y ago

You'd hope so, but corporate resistance against domestic intelligence has a bumpy track record: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-...

Handy-Man1y ago

That's just the enterprise guarantee. The same applies to Azure OpenAI services and the API services provided by OpenAI directly.

wilg1y ago

What broken Sam Altman promises are you referring to?

avtar1y ago

Personally I would say the disparity between what was in their founding agreement "be open-source—freely and publicly available for anyone to use, modify and distribute" https://archive.ph/R0LBL to the current state of affairs.

But I guess the list of grievances could be longer:

https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/what-should-we-learn-from-...

zoky1y ago

Leaving OpenAI, for one.

minimaxir1y ago

The promise is from Apple, not OpenAI, and likely contractual.

If OpenAI actually went against that, Apple would unleash the mother of all lawsuits.

educasean1y ago

Tim Cook doesn't seem to mind hanging his reputation on sama's promise, so at least that's something

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