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0 pointshypeatei1y ago0 comments

Oh man, the absolute clusterfuck of settings screens is irritating. OS settings interface isn't a fucking micro service project; it's like technically, yes, they're updating the same things underneath but I don't want to spend mental energy thinking about the best way to update network settings in <current year>

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et13371y ago

To be fair, I still have no idea how to set the DNS server on an Ubuntu server in a way that won’t get wiped out on reboot. Is it resolv.conf? Nope, that’s generated by another tool. systemd-resolve? I think that’s getting closer… network manager? By the time I figure it out they’ll add another one to the pile.

Caligatio1y ago

The network config for out-of-the-box Ubuntu server has been stable for 6 years. You need to modify netplan's config: /etc/netplan/*.yaml (default is 00-installer-config.yaml). This renders volatile systemd-networkd configs in /run/systemd/network which, in turn, will configure systemd-resolved appropriately.

If you've opted out of netplan, then you need to configure one of systemd-networkd or NetworkManager manually (on server, NetworkManager is only present if you've installed it).

I personally used to be opposed to netplan but I had to do some very esoteric network configuration which was super easy with netplan.

bravetraveler1y ago

> I personally used to be opposed to netplan but I had to do some very esoteric network configuration which was super easy with netplan.

Unless it still insists on realizing all state or no state, I think I still prefer the things doing the work for/underneath Netplan

To your point, esoteric configurations. Netplan is all or nothing: done improperly, it can more easily break the whole house of cards.

It tries/applies everything... where the others allow more utility

et13371y ago

Ah right, I remember I ended up writing a netplan YAML. I still couldn’t get it to persist across reboots, and just resorted to running “sudo netplan apply” every time it rebooted.

yobert1y ago

The ecosystem has settled on NetworkManager for desktops/laptops. The systemd ones are great for servers or VMs.

okasaki1y ago

Windows settings have always been bad, but the new UI is truly an atrocity.

I think it's intentional because they don't really want users changing stuff, especially the spyware parts.

Android is also truly horrible, with some settings (like privacy settings) redirecting you to a sluggish embedded remote web page.

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et13371y ago

Caligatio1y ago

If you've opted out of netplan, then you need to configure one of systemd-networkd or NetworkManager manually (on server, NetworkManager is only present if you've installed it).

I personally used to be opposed to netplan but I had to do some very esoteric network configuration which was super easy with netplan.

bravetraveler1y ago

> I personally used to be opposed to netplan but I had to do some very esoteric network configuration which was super easy with netplan.

Unless it still insists on realizing all state or no state, I think I still prefer the things doing the work for/underneath Netplan

To your point, esoteric configurations. Netplan is all or nothing: done improperly, it can more easily break the whole house of cards.

It tries/applies everything... where the others allow more utility

et13371y ago

Ah right, I remember I ended up writing a netplan YAML. I still couldn’t get it to persist across reboots, and just resorted to running “sudo netplan apply” every time it rebooted.

yobert1y ago

The ecosystem has settled on NetworkManager for desktops/laptops. The systemd ones are great for servers or VMs.

okasaki1y ago

Windows settings have always been bad, but the new UI is truly an atrocity.

I think it's intentional because they don't really want users changing stuff, especially the spyware parts.

Android is also truly horrible, with some settings (like privacy settings) redirecting you to a sluggish embedded remote web page.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse