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0 pointsChemiSpan1y ago0 comments

> penalizing the secular tech entrepreneurs

During the divestment against South African apartheid, anyone was a fair target.

And yes Israel has been labeled an apartheid state by all the major human rights groups, including Amensty, HRW, and Israel's own Btselem. Linking the 3 reports below, in case you are interested in reading.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-...

https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/isra...

https://www.btselem.org/publications/fulltext/202101_this_is...

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thephyber1y ago

I also noticed you missed the most important thing about the GP comment of my reply: he misread which whether the relevant company was on the unethical side of the equation and seemed willing to divest without any skepticism or curiosity.

ChemiSpanOP1y ago

It's true though, AU10TIX is connected to Israeli intelligence which seems to be a reason why X switched to Stripe. I think the confusion was whether it was Stripe or AU10TIX.

> AU10TIX is a subsidiary of ICTs International, a company established by former members of the Shin Bet and El Al airline security agents.

Ron Atzmon, the founder of AU10TIX, spent his military service with the Shin Bet's notorious unit 8200. Which also produced the infamous Israeli Pegasus spyware used by repressive regimes like Saudi Arabia to spy on citizens.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/identity-verification-or-data-...

thephyber1y ago

I’m not debating AU10TIX. Let’s both assume what you say is true.

The comment I initially replied to was spring-loaded and ready to punish Stripe (and potentially X) because they thought Stripe was the unethical participant in Israel’s policies, not AU10TIX.

And additionally, my preference is that we don’t boycott unless there is a very direct line of participation. Are we all boycotting all of the startups that received investment from In-Q-Tel? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/In-Q-Tel#Investments

At some point, the proximity of participation moves from complicit to 6 Degrees of Bacon. Boycotting in the latter is To Cur off Your Nose Despite Your Face.

zozo-whywhy1y ago

Thank you! Great post & resources!

I, and the ethical intelligent people I know, encourage all divestment from Israeli companies.

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thephyber1y ago

ChemiSpanOP1y ago

It's true though, AU10TIX is connected to Israeli intelligence which seems to be a reason why X switched to Stripe. I think the confusion was whether it was Stripe or AU10TIX.

> AU10TIX is a subsidiary of ICTs International, a company established by former members of the Shin Bet and El Al airline security agents.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/identity-verification-or-data-...

thephyber1y ago

I’m not debating AU10TIX. Let’s both assume what you say is true.

The comment I initially replied to was spring-loaded and ready to punish Stripe (and potentially X) because they thought Stripe was the unethical participant in Israel’s policies, not AU10TIX.

At some point, the proximity of participation moves from complicit to 6 Degrees of Bacon. Boycotting in the latter is To Cur off Your Nose Despite Your Face.

zozo-whywhy1y ago

Thank you! Great post & resources!

I, and the ethical intelligent people I know, encourage all divestment from Israeli companies.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse