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0 pointslolinder1y ago0 comments

> No no no. Enough of this 'both sides' nonsense.

No, not enough. The lack of 'both sides' is what got us here.

You want to know what the hell is wrong with the people who voted him in? They have felt alone, disenfranchised, and cut off by the coastal elite (both sides!) for decades. One party took their vote for granted, the other wished that they didn't have a vote at all. They got sick of being ignored and condescended to, and a freaky sociopath named Donald Trump realized that they were the key to "winning" his perverted game and he finally successfully courted them.

They fell over themselves for Trump because no one else spared them a second thought.

So no, I'm not going to be done with 'both sides'. The Left thinks that if they just prosecute Trump and get him convicted these people will just go away and we can go back to business as usual, but this populist movement has found its voice and it's not going anywhere.

The only thing that's going to stop this from turning tragic is for the Left to figure out that these people exist and have a vote and find a way to speak to them. And the only way I have to help is to cry "both sides". Trump voters are normal people with very real needs, and our only hope to avert catastrophe is to see them and hear them.

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achenet1y ago

actually, I think the issue is that there are only two sides:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

DEADMINCE1y ago

> No, not enough. The lack of 'both sides' is what got us here.

lol, why are you going out of your way to reply to this? It's not in my comment, and it wasn't in the comment when you logged in to reply. Did you copy and paste it from your rss feed or whatever specifically to be able to reply to it? That's really weird. Anyway.

> They have felt alone, disenfranchised, and cut off by the coastal elite (both sides!) for decades.

The problem is they have no education and have no idea how to think critically. In society we have made it such a bad thing to be 'stupid', combine that with studies showing being wrong can be similar to being physically hurt [0], well, now we have a population that has no education, is religious and rejects science, doesn't want to be called stupid or be wrong, so they rally around 'alternative facts' and a charlatan who they see as one of them.

The only solution here is mandatory re-education and/or limiting who can vote, or hopefully waiting for the oldest and most stubborn conservatives to die out so alphas and gen-z can vote with a little more heart and brain.

> So no, I'm not going to be done with 'both sides'. The Left thinks that if they just prosecute Trump and get him convicted these people will just go away and we can go back to business as usual,

Trump's an especially bad candidate to be leader, the left just wants the Romney style republicans back. You know, not the science denying nazi wackos obsessed with guns and controlling women's bodies.

The left isn't the problem here, and never has been.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/feb/28/why-bei...

kelseyfrog1y ago

> The only solution here is mandatory re-education and/or limiting who can vote.

History tells us that the Narodnik[1] plan failed. The real change in minds came when the rural masses migrated to cities with dense habitation and the calculus of labor doing industrial jobs proved fertile for new ideas.

The only problem we have today is that large-scale rural->urban migration leaves huge swaths of the heartland emptied out which severely exacerbates our present problem because of the way senators are apportioned.

1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narodniks

lolinderOP1y ago

Thank you for laying bare the problem that I was attempting to describe. You've made my point better than I ever could.

DEADMINCE1y ago

Likewise.

Cheers.

goatlover1y ago

> The only solution here is mandatory re-education and/or limiting who can vote

Sounds very authoritarian and not democratic at all. What makes you think they won't try to do the same thing? I certainly don't want any government to have the power to re-educate adults and limit who can vote because they're voting wrong. That's Orwellian.

DEADMINCE1y ago

> Sounds very authoritarian and not democratic at all.

It's what we already have, just extended a little. We already limit voting to citizens, and we have mandatory education for age groups and as a prerequisite to do certain professions.

> I certainly don't want any government to have the power to re-educate adults and limit who can vote because they're voting wrong. That's Orwellian.

Look at the situation we are in now, though. We have an extremely ignorant, outright science denying, not insignificant subset of the population, who due to our system of government can elect in people who share their beliefs, who then go on to be in real positions of power.

What do you do when you have a slight majority of Trumps or MTGs as your representatives? More than likely, freedoms will erode and wars would likely increase.

So, how can you avoid that, or worse problems caused by an ignorant voting block? If you want to keep this form of government (which I would argue we should not), I'm not sure what other solutions there are other than to have some sort of test for voting. Maybe moving the definition of what constitutes a citizen like in Starship Troopers could work.

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zyklu51y ago

> The only solution here is mandatory re-education and/or limiting who can vote, or hopefully waiting for the oldest and most stubborn conservatives to die out so alphas and gen-z can vote with a little more heart and brain.

Goodness.

DEADMINCE1y ago

You disagree?

What do you do in a situation where half the population won't take a vaccine during a pandemic because they think Bill Gates is going to track you with microchips?

Honestly, what's the solution here other than to wait and hope the voting population normalizes and self-corrects?

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HumblyTossed1y ago

> Trump's an especially bad candidate to be leader, the left just wants the Romney style republicans back.

Pretty much. The left wants people they can debate and negotiate with. Not a bunch of McConnell-style babies that absolutely refuse to negotiate on anything.

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0 pointslolinder1y ago0 comments

> No no no. Enough of this 'both sides' nonsense.

No, not enough. The lack of 'both sides' is what got us here.

They fell over themselves for Trump because no one else spared them a second thought.

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achenet1y ago

actually, I think the issue is that there are only two sides:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger%27s_law

DEADMINCE1y ago

> No, not enough. The lack of 'both sides' is what got us here.

> They have felt alone, disenfranchised, and cut off by the coastal elite (both sides!) for decades.

> So no, I'm not going to be done with 'both sides'. The Left thinks that if they just prosecute Trump and get him convicted these people will just go away and we can go back to business as usual,

The left isn't the problem here, and never has been.

[0] https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2016/feb/28/why-bei...

kelseyfrog1y ago

> The only solution here is mandatory re-education and/or limiting who can vote.

1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narodniks

lolinderOP1y ago

Thank you for laying bare the problem that I was attempting to describe. You've made my point better than I ever could.

DEADMINCE1y ago

Likewise.

Cheers.

goatlover1y ago

> The only solution here is mandatory re-education and/or limiting who can vote

DEADMINCE1y ago

> Sounds very authoritarian and not democratic at all.

It's what we already have, just extended a little. We already limit voting to citizens, and we have mandatory education for age groups and as a prerequisite to do certain professions.

> I certainly don't want any government to have the power to re-educate adults and limit who can vote because they're voting wrong. That's Orwellian.

What do you do when you have a slight majority of Trumps or MTGs as your representatives? More than likely, freedoms will erode and wars would likely increase.

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zyklu51y ago

Goodness.

DEADMINCE1y ago

You disagree?

What do you do in a situation where half the population won't take a vaccine during a pandemic because they think Bill Gates is going to track you with microchips?

Honestly, what's the solution here other than to wait and hope the voting population normalizes and self-corrects?

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HumblyTossed1y ago

> Trump's an especially bad candidate to be leader, the left just wants the Romney style republicans back.

Pretty much. The left wants people they can debate and negotiate with. Not a bunch of McConnell-style babies that absolutely refuse to negotiate on anything.

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