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> I do not recall the EA actually being used anywhere by new code though, quite shocked by the mention of WSL.

This explains it: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-au/archive/blogs/wsl/wsl-file...

uid, gid, mode, and POSIX format timestamps are stored in an EA. It also mentions file capabilities being stored in an ADS. On Linux, capabilities and ACLs are stored in xattrs, so that seems to imply that xattrs are stored in ADS not EA.

> Old POSIX subsystem originated before ADSes I think, and might have decided to avoid creating more data types.

I'm not sure about that, I think support for ADS has been in NTFS from its very beginnings, it was designed to support it from the very start.

Actually, from what I understand, the original design for NTFS – which was never actually implemented, at least not in any version that ever shipped to customers – was to let users define their own attribute types. The reason why their names all start with $, is that was supposed to reserve the attribute type as "system", user attribute types were supposed to start with other characters (likely alphabetic). And that's the reason why they are defined in a file on the filesystem, $AttrDef, and why the records in that file contain some (very basic) metadata on validating them (minimum/maximum sizes, etc). If they were never planning to support user-defined attribute types, they wouldn't have needed $AttrDef, they could have just hardcoded it all in the code.

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p_l1y ago

the dollar sign convention predates NT, it's one of the things inherited from Files-11, where the metadata-files were not hidden from end user, just marked with strict enough permission checks. (A lot of VMS APIs used dollar signs for namespacing, too, and I believe some aspects of the naming scheme come from specific PDP assemblers when referring to some names?)

Looking at NTFS from on-disk structure side, it always seemed quite obvious to me that a lot of accolades given to BeFS applied to NTFS - it's the lack of actually using the abilities - and IIRC a lot of the indexing system is actually used by Windows Search, which in tech spaces I always found mentioned as "useless thing I disabled", yet I found out later offices where people are very much dependant on the component (helps that MS Office installed document handlers to index its documents in it)

skissaneOP1y ago

> Looking at NTFS from on-disk structure side, it always seemed quite obvious to me that a lot of accolades given to BeFS applied to NTFS - it's the lack of actually using the abilities

Microsoft had some very grand plans in this area... Cairo, OFS, WinFS... but they just kept on getting delayed, cancelled, pulled from the beta for too many issues. I think contemporary Microsoft has lost interest in this (it was something Bill Gates was big on) and moved on to other ideas.

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p_l1y ago

skissaneOP1y ago

> Looking at NTFS from on-disk structure side, it always seemed quite obvious to me that a lot of accolades given to BeFS applied to NTFS - it's the lack of actually using the abilities

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