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0 pointsfsckboy1y ago0 comments

>I once asked her if she thought in English or ASL and she said ASL

It's common to think that we think in languages, but at a fundamental level, we simply don't. Ever have the experience of not being able to remember the word for something? you know exactly what you are thinking, but can't come up with the word. If you thought in your language, this wouldn't happen.

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lolinder1y ago

There are layers to thought, and the layer that is most conscious is, at least for me (and from what I hear a lot of other people), in my native language. Further, achieving fluency in a second language is often associated with skipping the intermediate step of translating from English, with thoughts materializing first in the second language.

You're correct that there does seem to be a layer lower than that—one that can materialize as either a native or a second language—but it's not inaccurate to talk about which language we "think" in because many of us actually do constantly materialize thoughts as language without any intention of speaking them.

fsckboyOP1y ago

you can talk to yourself in your head using your native language. But that's not evidence that you are thinking in your language, it's thinking of your language. when you do math, are you thinking in your language? when you drive a car or play a video game or a sport, or make love, are you thinking in your language? I'll answer for you, no, you aren't.

Do people who grow up without language (there have been plenty examples, deaf people for example) simply not think? do cats and dogs and chimpanzees not think?

lolinder1y ago

I don't think we actually disagree on the facts so much as on the buckets we sort them into.

I very much count my internal English monologue as thinking in my language and would understand that to be what someone is asking about if they asked what language I think in. At the same time, I totally agree that there are layers to thought that never rise into the monologue.

juliendorra1y ago

Thinking is probably not a single unified process, but several simultaneous activities at different levels. Including the unconscious ones. So you might very well both be right, as we may be thinking sometimes simultaneously in language and in other ways (like when we talk and cook, when we write, etc.)

drdeca1y ago

There are kinds of thought which are facilitated by language.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF1y ago

The other day I forgot the name of a street in my town, right as I was trying to tell someone to turn onto it.

I said, "I don't know the name of the street - It's the son of (CHARACTER) from (VIDEO GAME)" and then I remembered the name. I was completely right about the game character, apparently I'd remembered that mnemonic but temporarily forgotten the character's actual name.

numpad01y ago

It's often said that a picture is worth a thousand words. And there's no succinct picture that reliably convey that concept, at the same time. Human cognition must be simply cross-modal.

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lolinder1y ago

fsckboyOP1y ago

Do people who grow up without language (there have been plenty examples, deaf people for example) simply not think? do cats and dogs and chimpanzees not think?

lolinder1y ago

I don't think we actually disagree on the facts so much as on the buckets we sort them into.

juliendorra1y ago

drdeca1y ago

There are kinds of thought which are facilitated by language.

01HNNWZ0MV43FF1y ago

The other day I forgot the name of a street in my town, right as I was trying to tell someone to turn onto it.

numpad01y ago

It's often said that a picture is worth a thousand words. And there's no succinct picture that reliably convey that concept, at the same time. Human cognition must be simply cross-modal.

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