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0 pointsnextos1y ago0 comments

Does this mean that according to EU, or France, E2E-encrypted platforms need to "cooperate" (provide backdoors)?

Or does it refer to public channels only?

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mikae11y ago

> Does this mean that according to EU, or France, E2E-encrypted platforms need to "cooperate" (provide backdoors)?

No, not yet.

> Or does it refer to public channels only?

On Telegram channels and groups are not E2EE. I'd assume that's were most of the crap is spread.

tillulen1y ago

Private messages aren’t end-to-end encrypted either. The so-called secret chats are end-to-end encrypted but are a major pain to use. I doubt that feature sees much use.

mikae11y ago

Yes, private messages can be E2EE. But as you say, they're a hassle (no sync between devices as an example).

riedel1y ago

As said before: the whole E2E, CSAM diskussion is not really the issue here. This is afaik about complying mostly to very specific takedown requests (as telegram offers no legal address inside the EU) and more general platform regulations that require mechanisms to prevent illegal content. Telegram does not offer any E2E encrypted group chat and actually actively interferes in groups by pushing advertisements, so they should be able to also block illegal content.

Having said that I am no fan of installing law enforcement inside private companies. However, telegrams noncompliance with court orders is problematic particularly related to protecting human rights of 3rd parties in the digital age.

rtsil1y ago

It means complying with an order from a judge. Just like every other social media or really any form of communications (including emails, phone calls, letters) that operate in France (and in the EU) do.

b1121y ago

It means the post office is next, followed by the phone company.

philistine1y ago

If you think the governments of the world do not have the metadata of every single phone call and at the very least an outside picture of every letter being sent by non-companies, then I have a boat te sell you.

qingcharles1y ago

There is a legal process, though, at least in the USA.

You can get a warrant (a court order) to open a piece of mail, and the USPS isn't going to refuse to hand it over.

[technically they could, but someone would get stuck with contempt of court charges]

kspacewalk21y ago

The post office and the phone company refuse to cooperate with law enforcement and offer disposable phone numbers and means to move money without trace/attribution?

dundercoder1y ago

The phone company has long cooperated with government. And while I’ve never heard of anything, the post office _is_ owned by the government in the US.

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mikae11y ago

> Does this mean that according to EU, or France, E2E-encrypted platforms need to "cooperate" (provide backdoors)?

No, not yet.

> Or does it refer to public channels only?

On Telegram channels and groups are not E2EE. I'd assume that's were most of the crap is spread.

tillulen1y ago

Private messages aren’t end-to-end encrypted either. The so-called secret chats are end-to-end encrypted but are a major pain to use. I doubt that feature sees much use.

mikae11y ago

Yes, private messages can be E2EE. But as you say, they're a hassle (no sync between devices as an example).

riedel1y ago

rtsil1y ago

b1121y ago

It means the post office is next, followed by the phone company.

philistine1y ago

qingcharles1y ago

There is a legal process, though, at least in the USA.

You can get a warrant (a court order) to open a piece of mail, and the USPS isn't going to refuse to hand it over.

[technically they could, but someone would get stuck with contempt of court charges]

kspacewalk21y ago

The post office and the phone company refuse to cooperate with law enforcement and offer disposable phone numbers and means to move money without trace/attribution?

dundercoder1y ago

The phone company has long cooperated with government. And while I’ve never heard of anything, the post office _is_ owned by the government in the US.

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