Finally they're talking about my group, so here goes: if you don't go to uni because of girls, you don't deserve to go to uni.
I suppose it works both ways.
> If you actually wanted a solution for boys to want to go to college, bring back male-only colleges. Watch college suddenly become really popular for boys again.
Is this resentful sarcasm, or sincere pragmatism? I can't tell.
In this frame, for example, when women were a minority at university, this was problematic and evidence of discrimination against women (in straightforwardly parsable ways); now that they are the majority, this is also problematic, and still evidence of discrimination... against women. Supposedly, women were filtered out by social factors (and still are in the case of most STEM disciplines) [0], but men are now choosing not to attend [1]. It's supposedly "surprising" that male-dominated discussions (like the Freakonomics podcast) supposedly overlook explanations related to masculinity (it couldn't possibly be that they simply disagree), despite how poorly things reliably turn out for any man in our society since the 1970s or so who actually attempts to do that. [2] It's well understood that feminism is the only socially acceptable framework for discussing gender issues in the West today [3]; somehow mostly-female feminists can claim all the insight needed to understand traditional masculinity, even though this is the opposite of what feminist standpoint theory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standpoint_feminism) would conclude if applied fairly. When men do choose a non-traditional masculinity (such as, say, being a "hacker" in the HN sense), they still ultimately get accused of perpetrating "toxic masculinity" and "bro culture" (as cited in gregjor's comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41912053), and the existing gender imbalance at their workplace is held up as evidence. Biological explanations are implicitly pooh-poohed, except when they come to the right conclusion. And finally, men are supposedly deliberately avoiding this analysis - why can't they just take the L and accept that they're causing this harm no matter what they do?
Also, worryingly, the central thesis here is rather grim. If men are indeed leaving because there are proportionately more women (i.e., because men have started leaving), that's clearly a positive feedback loop. This seems consistent with typical feminist rhetoric about gender role models, but it seems to imply that mixed-gender environments are inherently unstable [4]. That's quite a claim to be making, and it doesn't exactly predispose me to trying to work together with the author on anything. (After all, I'm a man, so the idea seems to have been deprecated a priori.)
I had here a much more detailed rebuttal - backed up locally, of course - but it fell afoul of the post length limit. I don't want to post it on my personal blog, because I'm trying to keep any politics there strictly programming-related. Maybe some other time. But let me just drop a few links regarding explicit discrimination against men in academia:
https://www.safs.ca/about.html
https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/will-2019-be-the-year-that-co...
https://www.thefire.org/news/third-circuit-private-universit...
https://www.thefire.org/research-learn/dei-higher-ed-when-it...
[0] - and, of course, here we must also invoke the spectre of "legal or structural" prohibitions (an awkward conflation) from "decades ago". In point of fact, it was possible for women to attend certain colleges in the US as early as the 1830s (https://www.bestcolleges.com/news/analysis/2021/03/21/histor...).
[1] - and, supposedly, bear full responsibility for those choices - never mind the social and societal factors influencing them. It's bizarre to me how this rhetoric enforces an internal locus of control (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Locus_of_control) for men, but an external one for women. I think it's rather sexist to deny the agency of women like that.
[2] See, for example, the history of Warren Farrell (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_Farrell), and in particular how talks he attempted to give at the University of Toronto in the early 2010s were effectively shut down by feminist protesters (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hx5x0Ztffm4 has some live footage).
[3] See, for example, section 11 of https://becauseits2015.wordpress.com/2016/08/06/a-non-femini... - the text anchor appears to be broken, unfortunately. This FAQ was written by a former online acquaintance of mine, and the entire thing is quite high quality, honestly.
[4] Except perhaps the ones involving heterosexual coupling.
