undefined | Better HN

0 pointseru1y ago0 comments

Why blame it on the user, instead of fixing it?

You could remove the zero-width spaces in validation (for eg a phone number).

0 comments

Or, you know, prevent invalid characters from the get-go. Same thing as validation, but done up-front. (But as I said elsewhere, I'm not talking about phone numbers, I'm talking about amounts)

eruOP1y ago

I would like to allow people to copy-and-paste text in, and then edit it. That could be a longer text that has the amount in it (but also some unrelated numbers).

yakshaving_jgt1y ago

Because this often makes the input feel broken to the user.

Instead of asserting that "users are too stupid" as you have done earlier, perhaps programmers should be less stupid and write more permissive parsers.

Accessible design is actually pretty hard, and most designers and programmers get this wrong. If you want some good design advice, you can start here: https://adamsilver.io/blog/the-problem-with-live-validation-...

francislavoie1y ago

I'm not using "stupid" in the derogatory sense. I'm using it as a recognition of the skill/knowledge gap between technical and non-technical users.

To clarify, we get _asked_ by our users to implement fields that limit input to help them avoid mistakes. Our QA and UX teams agree. This isn't a unilateral engineering decision.

1 more reply

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

0 comments

francislavoie1y ago

Or, you know, prevent invalid characters from the get-go. Same thing as validation, but done up-front. (But as I said elsewhere, I'm not talking about phone numbers, I'm talking about amounts)

eruOP1y ago

I would like to allow people to copy-and-paste text in, and then edit it. That could be a longer text that has the amount in it (but also some unrelated numbers).

yakshaving_jgt1y ago

Because this often makes the input feel broken to the user.

Instead of asserting that "users are too stupid" as you have done earlier, perhaps programmers should be less stupid and write more permissive parsers.

francislavoie1y ago

I'm not using "stupid" in the derogatory sense. I'm using it as a recognition of the skill/knowledge gap between technical and non-technical users.

To clarify, we get _asked_ by our users to implement fields that limit input to help them avoid mistakes. Our QA and UX teams agree. This isn't a unilateral engineering decision.

1 more reply

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse