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0 pointsbryanrasmussen1y ago0 comments

>whole lot of nasty without much thinking as long as a higher up tells them to.

sure

>In short, I think you are wrong.

so, your technical conclusion is that because people will do bad things when told by authorities they will not need to start any sort of project to integrate the dumped data into their platforms, paying multiple developers for a potentially long time - it will just magically happen because of the power of evil?

I mean I want to believe in the power of evil as much as the next guy, but that's a bit much. And once we go back to the whole "they would need to assemble a team to take advantage of it" which maybe was not that clear at the end of my post then again, no matter how you slice the evil, it would not be worth it.

Because assembling the team to analyze and ingest 23&me data might take a while, cost a good amount of money, might decrease in value over time (or increase in risk) for something that is probably illegal to do in the first place.

Higher ups may want it done, but probably only if it can be done immediately and doesn't cost a lot of money.

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A4ET8a8uTh01y ago

<< Higher ups may want it done, but probably only if it can be done immediately and doesn't cost a lot of money.

Since we are talking evil, I suppose money is a good place to start ( being root of it and all that ). So motivation would likely be there, but I am willing to accept your qualification of 'yes, but don't spend a lot'.

Lets look at some of that potential cost structure. The analytics part these days is not exactly expensive. Hell, HN just yesterday had a story about $4.80 GPU time being used to do some reinforcement learning to find 'best HN post' on 9gb of HN data[1]. That used to be a little require more time and be more labor intensive. Edit: Yes, what we are discussing would naturally go beyond $4.80, but in terms of bang for buck it is hard to find a better time than now.

One could reasonably argue getting the right people ( right experience and knowledge ) could be prohibitive in terms of cost, but.. if you are already an insurance company, it is not exactly impossible that you already hired people with applicable experience, knowledge and skill. And if you are already paying them, maybe this little offshoot project could be sold to them as a great advancement opportunity. And if they took it too far? Well, no one told them to go overboard. After all, we at <company D> have a strict ethics policy.

If that is the case, two big pieces of the cost structure are either negligible or already part of the annual budget.

FWIW, I want to think you are right.

[1]https://openpipe.ai/blog/hacker-news-rlhf-part-1

bryanrasmussenOP1y ago

>if you are already an insurance company, it is not exactly impossible that you already hired people with applicable experience, knowledge and skill.

my experience with large companies is that there is already allocation of those resources somewhere, with lots of managers and such, I think it would be a major thing to move people around or to hire new people.

Sure it's nice to believe Evil is working agile, but really it just says its adapted some agile methods and its super slow as per the usual.

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