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0 pointshonkycat1y ago0 comments

I realized HN was lost during a thread about having to provide identification to access adult websites.

There we SO many voices in favor. I was shocked. Hackers historically cared a TON about their privacy, yet they were willing to throw it away for the sake of "the children."

Ignoring that there is a huge suite of tools that would allow you to protect children WITHOUT having to register with the government and be tracked to visit a website.

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fwip1y ago

It turns out that "hackers" and "rich boy startups" have much less cultural overlap than the latter would have you believe.

JohnFen1y ago

HN is not largely populated by hackers. It's populated mostly by people working for SV-type companies.

krapp1y ago

People forget - or never realize, if they're new - that the "Hacker" in "Hacker News" refers to startup entrepreneurs "hacking" capitalism. This place used to be called "Startup News," after all.

tzs1y ago

Age verification that protects privacy can be done using clever cryptographic techniques.

HDThoreaun1y ago

yea but we all know it wont be

honkycatOP1y ago

Yeah I would be 100% for that, honestly.

I'm not a big anti-adult content person, I don't think it is a big deal. Cockfighting and dogfighting used to be popular pass-times. People used to take their whole family down to the public square for a nice afternoon hanging. Brothels used to be widespread! The old world was so much seedier and dirtier and violent, stuff is tame today by comparison.

But I 1000% respect someone who wants to control their kids access to adult content. I just know there is a lot of danger in implementing a Chinese-style "internet identification system."

skhunted1y ago

I’m very liberal and very much opposed to authoritarianism. I don’t see the problem with forcing online content to be different than offline content. You gotta show ID or otherwise prove age to buy alcohol and pornography offline. Why not for online as well?

JohnFen1y ago

Because when you show ID to buy age-restricted things in person, nobody is keeping a record of anything. A clerk looks at your ID and that's the end of it.

Online is a completely different beast on that count.

skhunted1y ago

I don’t think this is a compelling argument for keeping things as they currently stand.

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honkycatOP1y ago

Yes clearly ISPs, OSs, and everyone involved who is making money should provide easier and better tools for protecting kids from adult content.

But a state mandated thing associated with my ID is... iffy.

People have perfectly good reasons for wanting to protect their privacy.

skhunted1y ago

But they have done that and so a government mandated solution is warranted.

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raxxorraxor1y ago

If you really want to buy pornography on the internet as a minor, you will have difficulties doing the transactions.

Aside from that you haven't thought about the implications of an ID system in the current political climate. Some advocates even state their real goals openly.

I don't think you are very liberal here for that matter. It is just a single issue, but it strongly correlates with positions around this particular topic.

skhunted1y ago

It's easy to view pornography online regardless of age. That's what we are talking about.

Here are my leftist views: No one should have more than $10 million of wealth. Everyone should have a place to live, food, and healthcare. Healthcare should be free at the point of usage. The U.S. should stop funding Israel. Higher education should be free. Churches should pay tax on the property they own. Donations to charity should not be tax deductible. Public transportation should be heavily subsidized and greatly expanded. The DOD and CIA and NSA should be greatly reduced in size and scope. Elections should be publicly funded so that each candidate gets an equal amount of funding. Abortion should be legalized everywhere. Homeschooling should be outlawed.

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fwip1y ago

It turns out that "hackers" and "rich boy startups" have much less cultural overlap than the latter would have you believe.

JohnFen1y ago

HN is not largely populated by hackers. It's populated mostly by people working for SV-type companies.

krapp1y ago

People forget - or never realize, if they're new - that the "Hacker" in "Hacker News" refers to startup entrepreneurs "hacking" capitalism. This place used to be called "Startup News," after all.

tzs1y ago

Age verification that protects privacy can be done using clever cryptographic techniques.

HDThoreaun1y ago

yea but we all know it wont be

honkycatOP1y ago

Yeah I would be 100% for that, honestly.

But I 1000% respect someone who wants to control their kids access to adult content. I just know there is a lot of danger in implementing a Chinese-style "internet identification system."

skhunted1y ago

JohnFen1y ago

Because when you show ID to buy age-restricted things in person, nobody is keeping a record of anything. A clerk looks at your ID and that's the end of it.

Online is a completely different beast on that count.

skhunted1y ago

I don’t think this is a compelling argument for keeping things as they currently stand.

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honkycatOP1y ago

Yes clearly ISPs, OSs, and everyone involved who is making money should provide easier and better tools for protecting kids from adult content.

But a state mandated thing associated with my ID is... iffy.

People have perfectly good reasons for wanting to protect their privacy.

skhunted1y ago

But they have done that and so a government mandated solution is warranted.

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raxxorraxor1y ago

If you really want to buy pornography on the internet as a minor, you will have difficulties doing the transactions.

Aside from that you haven't thought about the implications of an ID system in the current political climate. Some advocates even state their real goals openly.

I don't think you are very liberal here for that matter. It is just a single issue, but it strongly correlates with positions around this particular topic.

skhunted1y ago

It's easy to view pornography online regardless of age. That's what we are talking about.

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