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0 pointsjiggawatts1y ago0 comments

So you’re saying the investors are happy to see their money set on fire?

Surely they expect at a minimum that their capital investment would make them dividends (increased revenue), and also that the money wasn’t simply set on fire with nothing to show for it and no way to repay it.

If I’m wrong then Twitter - and similar companies - are little better than Ponzi schemes, with investors relying on the money of the greater fool to recover their money.

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otterley1y ago

> So you’re saying the investors are happy to see their money set on fire?

Ah, HN, where you try to explain how things work, and you get ignorant sarcasm in return.

> Surely they expect at a minimum that their capital investment would make them dividends (increased revenue), and also that the money wasn’t simply set on fire with nothing to show for it and no way to repay it.

Yes, of course. But when safe investments (e.g., Treasuries) are paying out close to zero, investors are going to tolerate lower returns than they do when Treasuries are paying out 3% or more.

It's basic arithmetic: you take the guaranteed rate, add a risk premium, and that's what investors expect from riskier investments. This is well-covered in the class I recommended.

Also, not every investor thinks in terms of consistent return. A pensioner may have a need for a guaranteed 3% annual return to keep pace with inflation. A VC, on the other hand, is often content to have zero returns for years followed by a 100x payout through an IPO.

throwaway7ahgb1y ago

People here don't understand basic concepts like risk adjusted returns, flight to quality, Searching for yield etc...

jiggawattsOP1y ago

> A VC, on the other hand, is often content to have zero returns for years followed by a 100x payout through an IPO

I know how all this works, but 100x payout is for the small initial investments, not after 10 years of operating at multi-billion-dollar scales.

Small amounts of money are set on fire all of the time, chasing this kind of high-risk return.

Nonetheless, there's an expectation of a return, even if only in aggregate across many small startups.

What I was observing (from the outside, at a distance) was that Twitter was still being run by a startup despite being in an effectively monopoly position already and a "mature" company. Similarly, Amazon could set money on fire while they were the growing underdog. If they doubled their headcount today without doubling either revenue or profits, the idiots responsible for that would be summarily fired.

I get that Silicon Valley and their startup culture does a few things in an unusual way, but that doesn't make US dollars not be US dollars and magically turn into monopoly money that rains from the sky just because interest rates are low.

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