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0 pointsnoprocrasted1y ago0 comments

That argument makes sense for PaaS services like the ones you mention. But for bare "cloud" like AWS, I'm not convinced it is saving any effort, it's merely swapping one kind of complexity with another. Every place I've been in had full-time people messing with YAML files or doing "something" with the infrastructure - generally trying to work around the (self-inflicted) problems introduced by their cloud provider - whether it's the fact you get 2010s-era hardware or that you get nickel & dimed on absolutely arbitrary actions that have no relationship to real-world costs.

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jeffbee1y ago

In what sense is AWS "bare cloud"? S3, DynamoDB, Lambda, ECS?

noprocrastedOP1y ago

How do you configure S3 access control? You need to learn & understand how their IAM works.

How do you even point a pretty URL to a lambda? Last time I looked you need to stick an "API gateway" in front (which I'm sure you also get nickel & dimed for).

How do you go from "here's my git repo, deploy this on Fargate" with AWS? You need a CI pipeline which will run a bunch of awscli commands.

And I'm not even talking about VPCs, security groups, etc.

Somewhat different skillsets than old-school sysadmin (although once you know sysadmin basics, you realize a lot of these are just the same concepts under a branded name and arbitrary nickel & diming sprinkled on top), but equivalent in complexity.

inkyoto1y ago

How does one install and run Linux/BSD/another UNIX? One needs to learn and understand how a UNIX works.

The essence of the complaint that one has to have the knowledge of something before that something can be used. It seems like a reasonable expectation for just about anything in life.

(The API gateway in AWS is USD 2.35 for 10 million 32 kB requests, a Lambda can have its own private URL if required and Fargate does not deploy Git repos, it runs Docker images.)

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inemesitaffia1y ago

EC2

bsder1y ago

I would actually argue that EC2 is a "cloud smell"--if you're using EC2 you're doing it wrong.

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