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0 pointsbayindirh1y ago0 comments

As a person who never used Chrome in a capacity to replace Firefox (I just refused to give up), I'll just share this [0].

As I understand, no amount of words can convince you because I neither know what your standards are, nor I have the right words to convince you to try Firefox again. So, you have to give it a try and see it for yourself.

As a matter of principle, I'd never use a browser which is funded by an advertisement company which lives off my data to show me ads and rob me of my privacy and cognitive capacity.

In my book, Brave is even worse on that matter.

Edit: To clarify: I still have Chrome installed for the odd, unmaintained site which happens to require something Chrome specific, but I just don't open it, since Firefox works for everything and works very well.

[0]: https://arewefastyet.com/win11/benchmarks/overview?numDays=6...

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KORraN1y ago

I just checked these benchmarks results few days ago - am I reading this wrong or (apart from Assorted DOM) Firefox loses in most of the tests?

bayindirhOP1y ago

The problem is, benchmarks are never a fair game. It's the nature of the benchmark as a genre. You can always bias a benchmark towards some code path to show that you're superior.

Also, there are other factors to consider:

- Some of the benchmarks are "lower is better", so reading Y axis is important.

- Some results are very close (e.g. speedometer), but the zoom makes difference bigger, so reading the Y numbers again is important.

So, Firefox beats Chrome on WebAudio, StyleBench, AssortedDOM. However, this is still "benchmarks", The real world performance is very, very close.

The bigger picture is, when you look at longer histories, the performance is still being tuned and improved. So, Firefox people are not sitting on what they have.

Lastly, Firefox is way more sensitive to DNS response time when compared to Chrome, and a crowded site makes tons of requests. A fast DNS makes a ton of difference, which is way overlooked.

I used to run a DNSMasq instance when my ISP DNS was very slow. Now, my routers have their own tuned DNSMasq instances, so DNS is instant, so Firefox is as well.

bowsamic1y ago

> As a matter of principle, I'd never use a browser which is funded by an advertisement company which lives off my data to show me ads and rob me of my privacy and cognitive capacity.

You can’t use Firefox either then

bayindirhOP1y ago

I can disable all its telemetry, and change my search engine. It becomes a box which receives but never emits.

Plus, I don't use its Mozilla build, but its Debian build.

bowsamic1y ago

Sure but you specifically said “funded by” and Gecko dev is funded almost entirely by Google

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0 pointsbayindirh1y ago0 comments

As a person who never used Chrome in a capacity to replace Firefox (I just refused to give up), I'll just share this [0].

As a matter of principle, I'd never use a browser which is funded by an advertisement company which lives off my data to show me ads and rob me of my privacy and cognitive capacity.

In my book, Brave is even worse on that matter.

[0]: https://arewefastyet.com/win11/benchmarks/overview?numDays=6...

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KORraN1y ago

I just checked these benchmarks results few days ago - am I reading this wrong or (apart from Assorted DOM) Firefox loses in most of the tests?

bayindirhOP1y ago

The problem is, benchmarks are never a fair game. It's the nature of the benchmark as a genre. You can always bias a benchmark towards some code path to show that you're superior.

Also, there are other factors to consider:

- Some of the benchmarks are "lower is better", so reading Y axis is important.

- Some results are very close (e.g. speedometer), but the zoom makes difference bigger, so reading the Y numbers again is important.

So, Firefox beats Chrome on WebAudio, StyleBench, AssortedDOM. However, this is still "benchmarks", The real world performance is very, very close.

The bigger picture is, when you look at longer histories, the performance is still being tuned and improved. So, Firefox people are not sitting on what they have.

Lastly, Firefox is way more sensitive to DNS response time when compared to Chrome, and a crowded site makes tons of requests. A fast DNS makes a ton of difference, which is way overlooked.

I used to run a DNSMasq instance when my ISP DNS was very slow. Now, my routers have their own tuned DNSMasq instances, so DNS is instant, so Firefox is as well.

bowsamic1y ago

> As a matter of principle, I'd never use a browser which is funded by an advertisement company which lives off my data to show me ads and rob me of my privacy and cognitive capacity.

You can’t use Firefox either then

bayindirhOP1y ago

I can disable all its telemetry, and change my search engine. It becomes a box which receives but never emits.

Plus, I don't use its Mozilla build, but its Debian build.

bowsamic1y ago

Sure but you specifically said “funded by” and Gecko dev is funded almost entirely by Google

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