I'm not a big fan when folks call out languages as bottlenecks when they have no proof on the actual overhead and how much faster it would be in another language.
Most PHP deployments barely reach a hundred per server.
And this is an open source project is should be designed to handle basic production workloads which it could but it'll cost you a bunch more than if you used the correct languages.
> I'm not a big fan when folks call out languages as bottlenecks when they have no proof on the actual overhead and how much faster it would be in another language.
Honestly, I thought it was so obvious that an interpreted language is not good for high throughput endpoints that it didn't need to be proven. I also thought it was obvious that a logging system is going to handle lots and lots of data.
It could be easily proven by doing a bunch of work but obviously there is no point in me proving it.
We're running out of disk space earlier than that PHP is a bottleneck here.
There's just no way that you're at all familiar with PHP of the last 10 years to think this is true.
> It could be easily proven by doing a bunch of work but obviously there is no point in me proving it.
Prove it. Please, show me the context and environment you think PHP would struggle to serve "hundreds of requests per second". I'd venture a bet that a plain Laravel installation on the cheapest digital ocean droplet would top this and Laravel is "slow" in relation to vanilla PHP.
> It could be easily proven by doing a bunch of work but obviously there is no point in me proving it.
Because you cannot prove it... :) I wrote this post a few years ago, that actually spurned some improvements in C# ... so here you go: https://withinboredom.info/2022/03/16/yes-php-is-faster-than...
I notice your benchmarks are over 10 runs?! That's not a good sample size. And even more importantly, it's not in the same context.
Sure once you compile PHP and have it running it'll run fast. But PHP has a very specific usage which is web applications. It's been well-known for years that PHP's performance issues are related to the fact it's an interpreted language that has to be interpreted everytime but if you compile and run repeatedly it can perform extremely well. Which is why every performance related PHP nerd is working on experimental tools to do that.
Like I said in the blog post, if I tell you the sky is blue and you don't believe me; run them yourself. FWIW, C# is faster now for that particular use case. Also, like I mentioned in a previous blog post ... which one would you rather maintain:
- https://github.com/TheAlgorithms/C-Sharp/blob/master/Algorit... -- merge sort in C# 130 lines
- https://www.w3resource.com/php-exercises/searching-and-sorti... -- merge sort in PHP 60 lines
PHP is often far more concise than C#, and many other languages. I code more in Go than C# or PHP these days, but even Go has its limitations where it would be easier to express in PHP than Go. There are even certain classes of algorithms that are butt-ugly in Go but quite pretty in PHP.
PHP is still my favorite language, even though I hardly get to use it these days.
> PHP has a very specific usage which is web applications.
Originally, yes. But it outgrew that about 10 years or so ago. It's much more general purpose now.[1][2]
[1]: https://nativephp.com/ -- desktop applications in php
[2]: https://static-php.dev/ -- build self-contained, statically compiled clis written in php
