Btw, some versions of raspberry pi already have hardware random number number generator accessible at /dev/hwrng.
I continue to find it a bit silly to see "with a raspberry pi" when people just mean "with any random linux box that doesn't need to be very powerful".
It's like listening to NPR, where every smartphone is an iPhone even if it's an Android, you know?
That will give you RF noise, which isn't really random.
https://web.archive.org/web/20011027002011/http://dilbert.co...
I did an entropy test on my Pi5 (according to https://rob-turner.net/post/raspberrypi-hwrng), and it (7.999832 bits per byte) has about the same entropy as /dev/urandom (7.999831 bits per byte).
However, when using it directly, it's pretty slow. /dev/hwrng is 200 KB/s, /dev/urandom is 40 MB/s.
Though, maybe that doesn't matter if it's just intended to be used to add entropy to the system entropy pool.
ESV testing for JEnt uses an oversampling rate of 3, so even if you don’t want to use the precise setup described in the certificate (maybe a different version of OS, etc), the entropy rate from this will be more than adequate.
Take for example the maximum certificate duration. While from a production/security perspective short-lived certificates are great, you don't want to renew certs in your homelab every 24-48hrs. Also, many things just don't support ACME but still benefit from a valid certificate, e.g. router/firewall/appliance web interfaces. Out of the box, the limit for traditionally issued certificates using the CLI is very low, too.
The default prevents expired certificates to be renewed. If your homelab does not offer a couple of nines behind the comma, you'll pretty much have to intervene on a regular basis UNLESS you adjust the defaults. You can't set the max duration to years, months or days but only hours:
"claims": {
"minTLSCertDuration": "24h",
"maxTLSCertDuration": "26400h",
"defaultTLSCertDuration": "9000h"
},
CAVE: macOS enforces duration limits even for trusted enterprise CAs, e.g. Safari won't accept your 1000 days certificate anymore.
As for the "hours" max interval, this is the result of a design decision in Go's time duration library, dealing with the quirks of our calendaring system.
Basically, running the ACME flow on a Linux system and then having it programmatically update the cert/key for the service that needs it. Have done this for my NAS, printer, router, etc.
-Complete overkill requiring the use of a YubiKey for key storage and external RNG source - what problems does this solve? For a Yubikey to act as a poor man's HSM you have to store the PIN in plaintext on the disk. So if the device is compromised, they can just issue their own certs. If it's to protect against physical theft of the keys, they'll just put the entire Raspberry Pi in their pocket. You could choose to enter the PIN manually but this precludes any automation including CRL generation. It's also a waste of a good YubiKey.
-Creates a two-tier PKI... on the same device. This completely defeats the purpose so you can't revoke anything in case of key compromise. You could make it a 100-tier PKI and it would make no difference if they're on the same device. Though they would need a whole lot of YubiKeys and USB hubs for that.
-They're generating the private key on disk then importing into the YubiKey. Which defeats having an external key storage device because you have left traces of the key on disk.
-All this digital duct taping the windows and doors yet the article instructs you to download and run random binaries off GitHub with no verification whatsoever.
-Why do you need ACME in a homelab and can't just hand issue long lived certificates?
-OpenSC and the crypto libraries are notoriously difficult to set up and working properly. A tiny CA this is not.
An instance of openssl or xca covers 99.9% of "homelab" use cases. This is like using a battery operated drill to open a can of soup.
If there is one thing I hate it is hand issuing certificates. Even for a homelab.
SSL just plain sucks and OpenSSLs incantation and especially config files make an already bad problem even worse.
Those people are extremely likely to be using ACME in the wild.
Running it in your homelab makes a lot of sense to me.
You still can't exfiltrate the key material.
> If it's to protect against physical theft of the keys, they'll just put the entire Raspberry Pi in their pocket.
Just because someone has compromised your device doesn't mean they have physical access. That's the point.
> They're generating the private key on disk then importing into the YubiKey. Which defeats having an external key storage device because you have left traces of the key on disk.
The traces don't have to be left behind. Is this excessive 'overkill', or is the 'digital duct taping the windows and doors' insufficient?
> An instance of openssl or xca covers 99.9% of "homelab" use cases
The interesting thing about this article is that it adds a few 9's that are covered, and it's both easy and cheap.
And? What actual problem does this solve or realistic threat does this prevent? They are not decryption keys they are used to digitally sign certificates.
What the DigiNotar hack taught us years ago is if your CA is compromised you are already 0wned doesn't matter if the key is stored in an HSM or not.
All they can do with a stolen key is issue more certificates. Which they can do anyway if they have root access to the CA.
You can put 12 locks on your door but if they're all keyed to the same key you've stored under the plant on the porch, it doesn't really matter.
> The interesting thing about this article is that it adds a few 9's that are covered, and it's both easy and cheap.
Hard to say if those extra 9's need an external RNG for extra entropy.
> -Complete overkill requiring the use of a YubiKey for key storage and external RNG source - what problems does this solve? For a Yubikey to act as a poor man's HSM you have to store the PIN in plaintext on the disk. So if the device is compromised, they can just issue their own certs. If it's to protect against physical theft of the keys, they'll just put the entire Raspberry Pi in their pocket.
Yep, it's overkill. Homelabs are learning environments. People want tutorials when trying new things. It's a poor man's HSM because not many people will buy an HSM for their homelab, but almost everyone already has a YubiKey they can play with.
The project solves the problem of people wanting to learn and play with new technology.
And it's a way to kickstart a decently solid local PKI, if that's something you're interested in.
The RNG is completely unnecessary flair that just adds to the fun.
> -Creates a two-tier PKI... on the same device. This completely defeats the purpose so you can't revoke anything in case of key compromise. > -They're generating the private key on disk then importing into the YubiKey. Which defeats having an external key storage device because you have left traces of the key on disk.
The tutorial shows how to generate and store the private key offline on a USB stick, not on the device or the YubiKey. The key material never touches the disk of the Raspberry Pi.
Why store a copy of the CA keys offline? Because YubiKeys don't have the key-wrapped backup and restore feature of HSMs. So, if the YubiKey ever fails, you need a way to restore your CA. Storing the root on a USB stick is the backup. Put the USB stick in a safe.
If you want active revocation, you can set it up so that the intermediate is revocable—in case physical theft of the key is important to you. (We have instructions to do that in our docs.)
> -All this digital duct taping the windows and doors yet the article instructs you to download and run random binaries off GitHub with no verification whatsoever.
It's open source software downloaded from GitHub. The only non-smallstep code is the RNG driver (GitHub is the distribution point for that project). Was there a kind of verification that you expected to see?
> -Why do you need ACME in a homelab and can't just hand issue long lived certificates? -OpenSC and the crypto libraries are notoriously difficult to set up and working properly. A tiny CA this is not.
Most people don't need ACME in their homelab, they just want to learn stuff. That said, we have homelabbers in our community issuing certs to dozens of endpoints in their homelab.
Whether you issue long-lived or short-lived certs is a philosophical issue. If a short-lived cert is compromised, it's simply less valuable to the attacker. Short-lived certs encourage automation. Long-lived certs can be easier to manage and you can just manually renew them. But unplanned expiry of long-lived certs has caused a lot of multi-million dollar outages.
I hope this helps clarify things.
I haven't read the article fully yet, but it's not a bad idea to store the Root CA on the yubikey, and then generate a separate intermediate CA that is not stored on the yubikey. This way, all your day-to-day certs are issued using the intermediate and you only need to touch the root ca if you need to re-issue/revoke/etc the intermediate.
Very little of this has to do with a PI, it seems like almost any kind of home server would work (especially linux). And it is unclear to me what value is added by the yubikey? And would any FIDO device work, or is this yubikey brand only?
As my sibling comment says, this doesn't use FIDO, it uses PIV. The YubiKey pretends to be a USB CCID-class smartcard reader [1], with a PIV-capable smartcard inserted. You could use any other PIV-capable smartcard, but then you would also probably have to buy a smartcard reader. I do have a Dell keyboard with a built-in smartcard reader [2], but I don't use it. This would also be much bulkier.
Edit: Smartcard vendors also vary wildly in terms of their support for "Things that aren't Microsoft Windows".
[1] among other things, such as a USB HID keyboard for the OTP functionality
Primarily, the YubiKey is there to lock away the private key while making it available to the running CA. Certificate signing happens inside the YubiKey, and the CA private key is not exportable.
This uses the YubiKey PIV application, not FIDO.
As an aside, step-ca supports several approaches for key protection, but the YubiKey is relatively inexpensive.
Another fun approach is to use systemd-creds to help encrypt the CA's private key password inside a TPM 2.0 module and tie it to PCR values, similar to what LUKS or BitLocker can do for auto disk unlocking based on system integrity. The Raspberry Pi doesn't have TPM 2.0 but there are HATs available.
[0] - https://developers.yubico.com/PGP/YubiKey_5.2.3_Enhancements...
This is tiny. https://github.com/FiloSottile/mkcert
Its often a case of its fine until it isn't and different organisations handle it differently. Python requests installed via pip will use its own truststore, but installed via rpm it will automatically use the system store. Amazon Corretto JDK also installs its own truststore, so you have to correct that. Running thirdparty applications often comes with trouble, too.
More recently, we've been bitten by a JDK bug[0] that prevents Java from correctly interpeting Name Constraints.
Am I missing something, or wouldn't it be better to start with highly random raw data, and hash that to get more bits-per-second?
