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0 pointstalldayo1y ago0 comments

Intel's fabs aren't competitive, period. They might compete when 18A gets taped out, but that's been in development hell for years now and is struggling to leave the sampling stage. TSMC has a track record of profitable EULV yields and can even charge competitors for fab access. I say that as an Intel apologist.

If Trump's goal is to make imported chips unprofitable, then he's going to push America backwards. Even Intel doesn't use Intel's fabs for high performance or high efficiency designs at this point.

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BeetleB1y ago

> Intel's fabs aren't competitive, period.

If there's a 100% tariff on Taiwan made products, I assure you, Intel will be deemed competitive. Apple isn't going to double their BOM cost just to eke out another 10-20% in performance.

talldayoOP1y ago

Apple is one of the only companies in modern existence that could take a 2x hit to their SOC price and still turn an enormous profit on their hardware alone. There are non-Intel options Apple might consider like the TSMC Arizona plant, but Apple would only pick Intel as a fab partner over Tim Cook's dead body.

Don't forget that Apple's leadership is basically glued to Trump's hip for this administration. They'll be getting closer to the 25% rate for sure, and that's absolutely feasible with the margins Apple makes.

BeetleB1y ago

Even if Apple can weather the cost increase, most others cannot. Apple constitutes only 25% of TSMC's revenue.

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0 pointstalldayo1y ago0 comments

If Trump's goal is to make imported chips unprofitable, then he's going to push America backwards. Even Intel doesn't use Intel's fabs for high performance or high efficiency designs at this point.

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BeetleB1y ago

> Intel's fabs aren't competitive, period.

If there's a 100% tariff on Taiwan made products, I assure you, Intel will be deemed competitive. Apple isn't going to double their BOM cost just to eke out another 10-20% in performance.

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BeetleB1y ago

Even if Apple can weather the cost increase, most others cannot. Apple constitutes only 25% of TSMC's revenue.

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