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0 pointsKarrot_Kream1y ago0 comments

There's a lot of other benefits to the USA attracting high skill talent than just salary:

* English language school system so your kids (if you have them) will speak a world language.

* Racially and culturally diverse cultures, cuisines, and communities.

* Exposure to goods from most of the world, even if marked up.

* Availability of international franchises headquartered in other countries in major metros.

* A strong passport that offers visa-free travel to many locations and very favorable visa terms in many others.

and more.

My partner and I are (different) Asians and the higher-skilled members of our family who wanted to emigrate mostly rejected Europe because of non-English language instruction and honestly just feeling racially uncomfortable in most of Europe. I have some family in Germany (who like it there) so it's obviously not impossible, but European ethnostate thinking is just unattractive to a lot of non-Caucasian talent. Canada, UK, and Australia are not like this and have potentially a lot to gain if the US kneecaps its research bureaucracy.

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lrem1y ago

Eh, that's not a unique set of strengths. In any European country I know about (at least a dozen) you can get all-English education from kindergarten to PhD. In some for free, in some that's paid, but probably not as expensive as in the US. Everything is really rather a matter of tradeoffs and bang-for-the buck rather than categorical differences. Some European passports offer more access, but without the downsides of the US one. The only matter in which I don't know how to compare is the racial issues, but I hear the US is not exactly free of those either.

AdamN1y ago

I dunno - I'm in Berlin and my kids go to a private school for English education. I don't think somebody who couldn't afford it and wasn't a native English speaker would be getting English without parental effort before 4th grade.

Also in the area I'm in plenty of people don't speak English - I just went to an eye doctor and they didn't speak English although to be fair that's the first time it's happened to me in 2 years.

coliveira1y ago

Most of these perceived advantages are not unique to the US. I think there are only two things that still make the US more attractive nowadays: higher salaries and more jobs available to immigrants than in other places. If these two things disappear, the whole proposition starts to fall apart.

tormeh1y ago

Canada and Australia are immigration nations. The UK definitely is not.

volkl481y ago

Historically/as national origin story, no.

But it has in recent decades accepted quite a large number of immigrants, and is at this point at a higher foreign-born % than the US, if still lower then Canada or Australia.

That's not quite the same as having a culture rooted in the immigration narrative, but it has changed significantly.

And I'll also mention that while integration of significant immigration into an existing society is clearly a challenging prospect everywhere, the UK is overall, doing noticeably better with it than most of it's European peers. Both from my subjective perspective as a somewhat regular visitor, and from a lot of the metrics I see.

This is a decent piece for the data side of that claim: https://samf.substack.com/p/the-truth-about-integration

booleandilemma1y ago

The national dish of England is chicken tikka masala, last time I checked.

eastbound1y ago

Most common first name in France is Mohammed. I really don’t understand what he means with immigration, unless he means he wants mostly-Asian immigration because others are a problem.

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