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0 pointsGareth3211y ago0 comments

> This is simply a delusion detached from reality. I am a white man in STEM academia. I've never been discriminated against once.

This is demonstrably false. Harvard and many other universities recently lost a Supreme Court case due to persistent racial discrimination over decades (https://www.theguardian.com/law/2023/jun/29/us-supreme-court...). Whites and especially Asians were methodically discriminated against on the basis of their race. Just because you don't personally see the racism doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

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Xelynega1y ago

Why are so many people saying "Asians and whites were discriminated against" and pointing to this case?

The judges ruled that the program was unconstitutional and had to be changed, not that Harvard had been illegally discriminatory in their admission practices(as was attempted years prior by the same conservative funded activism group)

Just because you personally see racism, doesn't mean it's actually happening(aka, "facts don't care about your feelings")

Gareth321OP1y ago

> The judges ruled that the program was unconstitutional and had to be changed, not that Harvard had been illegally discriminatory in their admission practices(as was attempted years prior by the same conservative funded activism group)

What on Earth are you talking about? Here are the 237 pages of the Supreme Justices exploring centuries of American law and hundreds of relevant cases regarding racial discrimination: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/20-1199_hgdj.pdf

Specifically, the Justices found Harvard's race-based admissions practices violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The Court found that these practices resulted in racial discrimination against Asian American applicants.

Did you just make that up and hope no one would call you out?

Xelynega1y ago

> Did you just make that up and hope no one would call you out?

No, but it looks like a lot of people are misunderstanding the court's ruling...

`The question presented is whether the admissions systems used by Harvard College and UNC are lawful under the Equal Protection Clause of the Four- teenth Amendment`

"This admission system is not lawful" is not the same as "your institution has been illegally discriminatory towards a certain race". One is pointing out mismatches between law and reality, the other needs to be backed up by data.

desumeku1y ago

Is it quite possible that the program was unconstitutional and had to be changed because they were being illegally discriminatory in their admission practices?

Xelynega1y ago

Yes it is, but the court case only answered the first question and previous court cases failed to get a satisfactory(for the conservative groups behind them) ruling on the "illegal discrimination" parts.

It's also possible that the "unconstitutional" program lead to satisfactory results for minority groups(both asian and non-asian), but we are just guessing either way based off of a ruling that's only tangentially related.

tstactplsignore1y ago

1. So if the supreme court ended 'racial discrimination' at universities in 2023, why is the administration destroying scientific organizations now in the name of doing so?

2. That court case is for undergraduate admissions - what does it have to do with hiring practices in the academic sciences?

Gareth321OP1y ago

1. It ended one specific form of racial discrimination, not all forms.

2. The user I replied to stated they have not been discriminated against. I corrected them.

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Xelynega1y ago

Why are so many people saying "Asians and whites were discriminated against" and pointing to this case?

Just because you personally see racism, doesn't mean it's actually happening(aka, "facts don't care about your feelings")

Gareth321OP1y ago

Did you just make that up and hope no one would call you out?

Xelynega1y ago

> Did you just make that up and hope no one would call you out?

No, but it looks like a lot of people are misunderstanding the court's ruling...

`The question presented is whether the admissions systems used by Harvard College and UNC are lawful under the Equal Protection Clause of the Four- teenth Amendment`

desumeku1y ago

Is it quite possible that the program was unconstitutional and had to be changed because they were being illegally discriminatory in their admission practices?

Xelynega1y ago

tstactplsignore1y ago

1. So if the supreme court ended 'racial discrimination' at universities in 2023, why is the administration destroying scientific organizations now in the name of doing so?

2. That court case is for undergraduate admissions - what does it have to do with hiring practices in the academic sciences?

Gareth321OP1y ago

1. It ended one specific form of racial discrimination, not all forms.

2. The user I replied to stated they have not been discriminated against. I corrected them.

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