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0 pointsGareth3211y ago0 comments

I don't think he lied about Project 2025. It is a collection of more than 700 policy proposals. Some completely normal, milquetoast Republican policies. Some more extreme. No matter what Trump implemented, it would have covered some of those policies, leading to accusations that he's "doing Project 2025". I don't think he would ever have read 900 pages, so I don't think he read it, and I don't think he lied.

I didn't claim everything he does is democratic. I claimed that what he is doing is as promised to voters. Don't take my word for it. He is now at the highest approval rating he has ever had in office (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/dona...). People obviously feel he is delivering what he promised.

I don't think any checks and balances are being broken. Trump and the Republicans won the popular vote (which is kind of insane in an of itself), the Electoral College, the House, and the Senate. They have an unprecedented mandate to carry out unprecedented change by voters who were obviously VERY unhappy with the Democrat Party.

> On a final note, historically a lot of coup came from elected presidents

I can't fathom what you're trying to argue with this. That we should stop elections because the people might elect an authoritarian?

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realusername1y ago

That doesn't look a very convincing argument. So Trump is coincidentally close to the Project 2025 members and both executing their playbook on day one but somehow that's not a connection?

> I don't think any checks and balances are being broken. Trump and the Republicans won the popular vote (which is kind of insane in an of itself), the Electoral College, the House, and the Senate.

Well but right now why isn't he using any of those then? Musk operates outside any legal framework.

Maybe Trump isn't as confident as you seem on the loyalty of his fellow non-MAGA Republicans.

> I can't fathom what you're trying to argue with this. That we should stop elections because the people might elect an authoritarian?

I'm just disproving the nonsensical argument "he's been elected, therefore it'll remain a democracy". Well no, that isn't a sufficient guarantee.

Gareth321OP1y ago

> That doesn't look a very convincing argument. So Trump is coincidentally close to the Project 2025 members and both executing their playbook on day one but somehow that's not a connection?

And I don't find the argument convincing that because some of his policies are similar to Project 2025's, he must subscribe to ALL of them.

> Well but right now why isn't he using any of those then? Musk operates outside any legal framework.

Donald Trump gave Elon Musk the power of Special Government Employee (SGE), which is defined under U.S. federal law, 18 U.S.C. § 202. Further laws which cover this title are 5 CFR § 2641.104 and 17 CFR § 200.735-12. Musk is performing legal duties, entitled to him under democratically instituted and operationalised laws.

> I'm just disproving the nonsensical argument "he's been elected, therefore it'll remain a democracy". Well no, that isn't a sufficient guarantee.

I'm not making any claims about the future. I don't have a crystal ball. I am clearly arguing that you should accept the will of the people in a democracy.

realusername1y ago

> And I don't find the argument convincing that because some of his policies are similar to Project 2025's, he must subscribe to ALL of them.

Otherwise why he would be personally so close to this project then? That doesn't make sense.

> Donald Trump gave Elon Musk the power of Special Government Employee (SGE), which is defined under U.S. federal law

That's not enough to make what Musk is doing legal, this status is mostly for an advisor and Musk is an active executive member. The real way of making it legal is going through congress.

Not to mention the other DOGE workers which as far I know have no status at all.

> I'm not making any claims about the future. I don't have a crystal ball. I am clearly arguing that you should accept the will of the people in a democracy

Well there's two things which are not true here in this sentence. First he lied about his actions (unless you can find me a statement where he says that he'll put Musk in charge of dismantling the government), so it's not the will of the people, it's the will of Trump.

Secondly, he's not using the executive and legislative right now so it's hardly democratic, it's something you see in authoritarian regimes. In the EU, only Hungary works like that.

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0 pointsGareth3211y ago0 comments

> On a final note, historically a lot of coup came from elected presidents

I can't fathom what you're trying to argue with this. That we should stop elections because the people might elect an authoritarian?

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realusername1y ago

That doesn't look a very convincing argument. So Trump is coincidentally close to the Project 2025 members and both executing their playbook on day one but somehow that's not a connection?

> I don't think any checks and balances are being broken. Trump and the Republicans won the popular vote (which is kind of insane in an of itself), the Electoral College, the House, and the Senate.

Well but right now why isn't he using any of those then? Musk operates outside any legal framework.

Maybe Trump isn't as confident as you seem on the loyalty of his fellow non-MAGA Republicans.

> I can't fathom what you're trying to argue with this. That we should stop elections because the people might elect an authoritarian?

I'm just disproving the nonsensical argument "he's been elected, therefore it'll remain a democracy". Well no, that isn't a sufficient guarantee.

Gareth321OP1y ago

> That doesn't look a very convincing argument. So Trump is coincidentally close to the Project 2025 members and both executing their playbook on day one but somehow that's not a connection?

And I don't find the argument convincing that because some of his policies are similar to Project 2025's, he must subscribe to ALL of them.

> Well but right now why isn't he using any of those then? Musk operates outside any legal framework.

> I'm just disproving the nonsensical argument "he's been elected, therefore it'll remain a democracy". Well no, that isn't a sufficient guarantee.

I'm not making any claims about the future. I don't have a crystal ball. I am clearly arguing that you should accept the will of the people in a democracy.

realusername1y ago

> And I don't find the argument convincing that because some of his policies are similar to Project 2025's, he must subscribe to ALL of them.

Otherwise why he would be personally so close to this project then? That doesn't make sense.

> Donald Trump gave Elon Musk the power of Special Government Employee (SGE), which is defined under U.S. federal law

That's not enough to make what Musk is doing legal, this status is mostly for an advisor and Musk is an active executive member. The real way of making it legal is going through congress.

Not to mention the other DOGE workers which as far I know have no status at all.

> I'm not making any claims about the future. I don't have a crystal ball. I am clearly arguing that you should accept the will of the people in a democracy

Secondly, he's not using the executive and legislative right now so it's hardly democratic, it's something you see in authoritarian regimes. In the EU, only Hungary works like that.

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