I for one don't like it when people online, with every statement, signal their personal ethics. It gets to be very tiresome and degrades my HN experience. Actually it is degrading my whole internet browsing experience nowadays. There is too much "btw, you should feel bad when you do X". It's divisive, the US could use less divisiveness or anti-divisiveness.
And in come the downvotes, for speaking up against divisiveness. Doesn't that make you feel.. something?
I follow the news, I'm pretty capable of deciding if I want a Tesla or not, people adding to all their posts that I should not doesn't change anything other then make me annoyed. Perhaps some like it, probably when it echoes their strong believes? So it's that? You signal you are one of those people? Well great for you! Now let's get back to discussing the article.
The people who like Musk are probably beyond help
On paper I am supposed to live in an allied country but Trump unilateraly decided that USA is at wars with everyone except Israel so I can't expect to be treated with respect by an US company. For this reason I have to remove all commercial ties with US companies and not buy anything from them unless it is an object/appliance I can certify doesn't connect to anything without my consent.
Good luck with that!
They were making an effort to stay on topic (reliability issues with Tesla's cars). You're making it about divisiveness.
The ethical considerations around Tesla are pretty bizarre. It gets political, since the owner of the company is so deeply associated with both the cars and politics.
I don't think your comment comes from a bad place, I understand the fatigue and the desparation. However, when someone in power does something "divisive" (quotes, because its the understatement of the decade - you can probably come up with examples) and people who mention it, even by not mentioning it, are told to be quiet because they are being divisive - it can come off as trying to silence people and ensure no criticizism can be raised.
Again, I don't think that was your intention but it has that effect either way.
That doesn't generally mean they have an ethical take, just that they recognise such things might exist and they specifically don't want to get in to it.
Is that not what you want ?
> And in come the downvotes, for speaking up against divisiveness. Doesn't that make you feel.. something?
I'd assume it was because you were claiming divisiveness when the cause of such divisiveness was specifically excluded.
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So they’d want more Musk fans to buy Teslas and support him, right? If they really felt so strongly about doing something, then they should junk the cars.
Well, I guess I shouldn’t be too hard on them. Musk’s fans are not going to go away, Better to let them keep the Teslas in the family.
Ironically, buying a Tesla is nowadays a very visible political statement.
Defend him all you want, he speaks for himself. We can see his actions and who he funds.
That's 100% allowed, i'd personally encourage it, if you find yourself in a place you don't enjoy, stop going to that place.
That's a mature response to a self-imposed stressful environment.
Don't like Elon’s politics? Thats reasonable.
Don’t like his approach to business? That’s reasonable.
Oddly twist everything to paint an evil supervillain?
Oddly extend that “evil” to others who fail to condemn him the same way?
Oddly spend hours and hours online arguing with people about Elon with others?
That’s not normal nor indicative of a healthy psychology.
“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
― George Orwell, 1984
The entire world knows it is a nazi salute, and people defending it do too. They would never put themselves on camera doing this because they know it is indefensible.
Has he actually said it wasn't a Nazi salute? My last update was that he responded to questions about this by making Nazi jokes, I haven't seen any actual denial. Could you share when he did so, so I don't spread inaccurate information? Thank you.
